I don't really think Toney is better than Jesus but I do think there are attainable strikers who are better than Jesus. On his day Jesus is unplayable but he's always been a bit hot and cold and we seen the cold ourselves at the end of last season. Now maybe as he hits his peak years those dips get shorter but I do think it holds him back from really being irreplaceable in the way Saka, Odegaard, etc are.

There are also days where I think I'd love Giroud in this team, a big strong back to goal striker who can bring the attackers in and play quick passes around the box. Jesus does that in his own way but not with his back to goal and against a low block I'd love that quality in the team as an option at least. That said I don't think Toney really gives you that.

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I think Giroud has become better at certain aspects of his game. Can't believe he's still performing at such a high level. Testament to his professionalism.

Toney looked like prime-Drogba at the Emirates last season. Won everything all day.

Haven't seen him that regularly to say if he does that regularly.

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Not claiming to be an ITK by any stretch of the imagination but the same source that confirmed Rice was signing told me that Toney told his client that he is willing to leave Brentford this Jan but to whichever club offers the most money.

Hardly groundbreaking news but still a bit of a minor red flag and again exposes this guy as maybe not being the best fit culturally.

    big january signings are a waste of time. what will he help us accomplish this season? better to save our money for the summer when players who can actually help us win the league will be available. he's more of the same we have in the squad right now: not good enough.

      Sicario2 - Tier 1 Hardly groundbreaking news but still a bit of a minor red flag and again exposes this guy as maybe not being the best fit culturally.

      Raya you'd think would have told the coaches all we need to know about him. We have harmony and togetherness in the dressing room, that simply cannot be comprised no matter how good the player is.

        Meatwad I agree to an extent. For the most part, January signings are intended to bring in cover, or a stop gap type situation, or a bit of desperation. You don’t want it to be a huge outlay, but you’re at the mercy of the selling club if they have no real urgency or might benefit from a bidding war.

        But the flip side is if you do get it right, that injection of momentum, of a bit of consistent quality at a critical juncture in the season is invaluable. Allows time for others to find their form again and might even unlock the whole attack. Especially for someone like Toney who knows the league and would certainly (in my opinion) relish the challenge of leading a top club, and probably even feels he has a point to prove.

        Normally I’m neutral about January signings, but In this case I feel it’s a necessity rather than a luxury. Title winning windows are this small, this tight. We know we have a close to title winning team now. We might need an extra push to get it over the line? Alright then, go get it, and win. Win now. Principle later.

            flobaba
            i actually like him as an option to bring on and spot start and was in favor of him earlier in the season. but the more I watch us we need a clear #1 striker and that's not him. why waste money we don't have (and it might be kroenke's money, but the FFP rules clearly put a stop to us with this raya loan with mandatory buy option thing). just go after the real heavy hitters in the summer, they aren't for sale in january for obvious reasons.

              don't really want us to waste time with toney tbh. I think we have deeper issues that won't be solved by sticking an above average 9 into the team

              Why waste spending an inflated fee on someone who hasn't played for 7 months? If Toney is 'the one,' you buy him in the summer.

              Ultimately it's about how much impact you think the player would make, not how long they've been out.

              And why wait? We need a goal scorer now. If he's our guy, and we can make it happen, we should do it now.

              Sell Nketiah to Crystal Palace to help with FFP.

              Maybe Smith Rowe too, I wouldn't mind sacrificing him as well.

              If we don't win the league, it will likely be because we don't have a striker who can score about 10-15 goals in the second half of the season. One who can convert control and dominance into goals at the right time, nudging game momentum and results in our favor.

              Defence is solid, midfield is very good, contribution across forward line is and has been the big drop off.

                Toney isn’t really that either though. I know he scored a few last year, but he’s pretty much another Jesus buildup type.

                I personally don’t think that’s the worst thing in the world, but a 28yr old rotational/backup option shouldn’t cost much more than Trossard money.

                Anyway, I’d be amazed if Brendford sell in Jan. They’re dropping down the table and Mbeumo is out long term.

                He’d bring a much greater goal threat than Jesus.

                He’s an excellent player. Clever and physically able

                  How much do you think it would cost to get him Dules?

                  Well he’s out of contract in the summer of 2025 so I’d imagine Brentford would struggle to fetch the £100m they are saying they’d want.

                  Straight deal I recon £70m gets him but recon they’d be open to a loan with an obligation to buy at £75m or something similar

                  lorddulaarsenal He’d bring a much greater goal threat than Jesus.

                  Yep he's consistently scored throughout his career. I think given how much of the ball we're having in the opposition 3rd he'd score a load here.

                      flobaba Ultimately it's about how much impact you think the player would make, not how long they've been out.

                      Yeah, I'm not convinced he's going to make an impact this season.

                        Qwiss

                        He scored 14 non penalty goals last year in 33 starts. Jesus scored 10 in 24. The season before that he scored 10 in 33 games.

                        I’d wager a huge number of his goals were on the break too.

                        I’m a big fan of Toney and I’m sure he’d score a few, but expectations that he’ll bag loads are wide of the mark.

                            Jesus has 14 league goals total for us. I'll take Toney over that alright.

                            Qwiss one of the oldest sayings in football, that almost never works out the way people think