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Raya joins Arsenal

Clrnc

Gazza M Brentford probably has little option and wants to maintain good relationship with us and also Raya who has been a great servant for them.

The other option if they play hard ball and scupper our move is to lose him on a free next year.

Also think they might be interested in some of our players...

Sicario2 - Tier 1

This deal makes much more sense and it suggests we have one more madness left in us for this window.

Could be the first 10/10 Arsenal transfer window ever.

RocktheCasbah

Let's just hope he was only celebrating their first game in the PL.

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Irishgunner

Pretty weird signing I think

Not sure there is enough upside here to justify the cost and also potentially rocking the boat in the dressing room.

daredevil

Mirth

It worked for Barcelona. They had two quality keepers alternating between the league and cups and they won the treble, even if one ended up leaving.

There's no doubt one of Ramsdale or Raya will end up leaving in the next couple of years, but it improves our GK department and that's all that matters.

Don Pacifico

Much more in favour of this deal as loan. Good work Edu.

invisibleman18

Same. Didn't see it coming as a loan, and this way I guess if he doesn't end up taking the spot then we can just not sign him permanently and don't have the make the decision on who to sell next summer. Presume it's a way of getting around FFP, which may mean we can't do much more business until we sell.

TambourineMan

I'd imagine the threshold for the number of games Raya would need to play for the buy option to be triggered will be quite low. Deal would make very little sense for Brentford otherwise or even Raya for that matter as he'd just be stuck again next summer after agreeing the extension.

Regardless it's a good deal.

goon

Yeah this feels like a technicality more than anything.

Burnwinter

goon Yeah seems quite likely this is a loan in name only, and there's a strong expectation behind the scenes it all goes through, with Brentford agreeing to the unorthodox arrangement due to player pressure and a good overall fee on the table. But pushing £27m of FFP obligations forward a season is great.

naz

Amazing deal, upgrade backup for almost nothing. The fee is optional.

I don't get the ffp restrictions. We can't be that close to it

HomeSteak

naz Since Arteta took over, we have spent £600 million. We have sold players worth 181£ million (all number are based on what info we can get online, so it's not a sure thing). I don't know how close or far we are....but we have spent a shit load of money and had no CL until this season, and even no EL for a season.

flobaba

Don Pacifico why? If Ramsdale leaves (and I'm not exactly sure why you're so certain it would be him losing his place, without first watching him fight for it), if Ramsdale leaves then it would mean he lost out to David Raya. And if Rayas the better keeper (by that much), it would be quite evident in our game and our results.

Might end up being the difference between us winning and losing the league.

And we aren't happy with it because...

Don Pacifico

flobaba because of Cana's influence on this deal. Ramsdale has ambitions regarding playing for England and if won't be getting closer to that target if he doesn't play.

Coombs can only speak for myself but my concern lies with the fact I think Ramsdale has a greater ceiling so I don't want to lose him.

Coombs

People are stuck in an old way of thinking. Keep the squad turning over, its crucial. This isn't band of brothers.

Clrnc

Burnwinter yeah sam Dean reporting the same. Kinda late but really like that we are starting to play with the accounting deals like this. Many clubs has done this for years to avoid ffp.

Or also because we have never got close to bursting these few years due to Wenger thriftiness

Clrnc

HomeSteak That also does not include the fees we paid off for many players

Coombs

Don Pacifico if we sell him, it'll be because we've got something better going. Not sure that can be a negative.

Burnwinter

Clrnc We've been slack on lots of the stuff other clubs have been doing forever. I remember posting that we should be farming midlist players on loan like Chelsea were as much as fifteen years ago.

Wenger's thrift has sort of been acknowledged to have been the club seeking to avoid too much success and an increased valuation while KSE were still wrestling Red & White Holdings out the door. The "sustainable model" was a ruse.

goon

I don't think we can look at history as a guide to whether or not you can play with two good keepers. Things change and most teams will have very rarely had two keepers on similar or equal footing.

There's going to be 10 games in the CL group stage alone from next season. Both could in theory play 30+ games each if rotated regularly - never mind if one gets injured or even loses form.

Time will tell if we can keep both happy, but I guarantee that if they both get a decent amount of game time it will not be easy to leave if we're among the best 2-3 teams in Europe.

Don Pacifico

Coombs I would normally agree but given the purported relationship between Cana and Raya, I can see that influencing decision-making even if they're trying to make an empirical decision.

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