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Raya joins Arsenal

Sicario2 - Tier 1

3/4 clean sheets with Raya in goal.

Yes it’s a small sample size but you cannot underestimate the calming presence an assured goalkeeper has on the defence in front of him.

Gazza M

if anything it's been his actual keeping that's impressed me more than his kicking. he looks assured with his postioning, shot stopping and catching

QuincyAbeyie

Gazza M agree, hasn't been especially impressed by his kicking, but the other stuff. Often kicks it long, seemingly not entirely accurate.

mdgoonah41

that threaded pass he played out to zinchenko today was majestic. created a legit goal scoring chance with the move it started

flobaba

Yup. Tried it a second time and it was off by a few inches. Those are the types of passes Ramsdale would try to execute... and then he's apologizing. As a whole, our passing out of defence is definitely more assured and calm, despite Parteys absence, and I guess that's something to be thankful for. Bodes well for when the supremely press resistant Ghanaian returns. Raya has less effective (or more predictable ) outlets, but still mostly finds the right one, puts the defence in much less regularly compromising situations. I'm liking it so far.

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Qwiss

Dodgy stats anyway because I checked their passing stats earlier and while Rambo was behind Raya he was about 10% above that.

And doesn't that high xG against indicate Ramsdale faced tougher opposition.

That tweets inferring shit its own dodgy stats can't back up!

Burnwinter

Be curious to know why the xG stats aren't per 90. As soon as they are the stats are actually very close in that regard. I'm not gonna stage a protest about Raya's performances but he's hardly revolutionised us, we literally just dropped two points needlessly in the derby a week ago.

invisibleman18

Burnwinter Agree with that. Of the 4 games he's played, he's basically not faced a shot of in 3 of them. The one he was put under pressure in he flapped at a cross that led to their first goal. No major complaints on his performances other than probably that moment but I'm not convinced the other 3 results would have been any different had Ramsdale played.

Burnwinter

Yeah I feel we haven't seen Raya under pressure, so there's nothing to go on—which might of course mean he actually is a lot better, as well.

Don't want to jinx the guy, but he could be hero or villain after City come to visit …

flobaba

Well, that's done then.

Good job Burnsy.

Burnwinter

flobaba Well, that's done then.

Yeah, Raya's pretty likely to make a major error against City.

Mirth

Burnwinter

Mirth Arteta's telling the team to play through the keeper, and these numbers show Raya must be pushing and offering for the ball much more than Ramsdale, and perhaps that the team feels more confident working the play through him. But you'd have to look at situations to have much of an idea how it does or doesn't help us beat the press.

KingslandBarge

I think that’s actually one good way of illustrating that this team has been improving in terms of setup and dominance compared to match day 1 and heck even match day 5. Less so about contrasting Raya and Ramsdale? but I would welcome some other passing stats/models. Ramsdale didn’t have White Saliba Gabriel Zinchenko around him to assert passing control, with two other players debuting in the team, two other players debuting in new roles.

Tam

Burnwinter Yeah, I'm wary of it being hailed a success that the ball is spending so much more time at the wrong end of the pitch. It's still early days but if there's to be any benefit to the goalkeeper having more of the ball, we're yet to see it translate to significant improvements in the right end of the pitch.

Burnwinter

We continue to see these "statistical analyses" based on a small handful of matches, something like three appearances for each keeper with different personnel and opposition.

Pretty sure Partey played in two out of three matches Ramsdale kept as well, for example.

invisibleman18

Coming to this a bit late after yesterday's game, but I still remain unconvinced he brings any improvement. Half the goals he's conceded so far have come as a result of situations he didn't deal with (the pass yesterday and the flap for the cross against Spurs). Maybe I'm blind but I'm not really seeing the fantastic passing he supposedly brings either. He's kicked his fair share out for throw ins unnecessarily too. What's the thinking behind passing the kick off back to him, only for him to either hoof it out for a goal kick or throw in? I'm probably a bit old school, but if we have the kickoff we should try and keep possession of the ball IMO.

Qwiss

I don't like how far out of goal he comes to play it around at the back. It's asking for trouble.

flobaba

Qwiss this is the way

Big Willie

Qwiss I don't like how far out of goal he comes to play it around at the back. It's asking for trouble.

What scares me the most is when we are playing out the back and one of thr CBs has the wide of our box near the touchline and he's standing away from the goal almost outside the box and behind the goal line. One missed pass and its an open goal for the opposition.

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