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Timberrrrrrrrrr!

Don Pacifico

Clrnc yeah, feels like that's probably where he's destined to play once Calafiori is up and running. I'd say that White, for all his output the last two seasons is most under threat.

Clrnc

Don Pacifico It's an extremely happy problem to have. Timber will have his fair shares of niggles this year because of his ACL previously, White needs a breather evidently as he often tires after 70th minute like yesterday. This year UCL schedule is brutal, a big squad will be kept happy as everyone gets enough game time.

Claudius

Clrnc this high quality defensive rotation is what we need to execute elsewhere. Baby steps

naz

White will be starting most games, no questions about it. Pretty much cemented in the first 11, like Lauren back in the day.

MistaT

Yeah I don't see White getting dropped any time soon.

He, Odegaard, and Saka have a strong understanding, and I think he also helps simplify Saliba's job (in comparison to what Zinchenko does for Gabriel).

Don Pacifico

I dunno. White was bought as a CB and was then shunted to RB when Tomi got injured and Saliba returned from loan. I think that tells you that whilst he's been brilliant, he doesn't represent exactly what Arteta is looking for in that role.

We also thought Ramsdale was a dead cert and we brought in Raya. This is a manager who is always looking to upgrade and there are few loyalties in that regard.

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Don Pacifico
Let’s hope the manager uses this same principal on the likes of Martinelli

banduan

Don Pacifico I dunno. White was bought as a CB and was then shunted to RB when Tomi got injured and Saliba returned from loan. I think that tells you that whilst he's been brilliant, he doesn't represent exactly what Arteta is looking for in that role.

We stumbled into his ability in that role, regardless what Mikel initially thought. He's gonna be there for a while I reckon. But whoever else is in RB will defo get game time as Benjamin looked fucked towards the end of last season and especially the end of the previous one.

Clrnc

banduan yeah that's my thought as well. I think White is too good to be dropped but he is still not a natural RB, certainly not as natural as Timber. First half of last season before Tomi was injured he was preferred in many games to White and I feel Timber will be rotated as much which will be beneficial for us. We need White as fresh and fit in the crucial run in as possible. Tomiyasu will also be back in October.

Our defensive depth is insane, rightly so since we have kept up the trend of signing one big defender every window

Burnwinter

banduan We stumbled into his ability in that role

Not exactly ... I'm pretty sure we shelled out the £50m because of his calibre and versatility, and with a weather eye on Saliba's progress at Marseille despite all the protests at the time.

Clrnc

Burnwinter it's like we bought Havertz as a CM and have all the ideas of how he could succeed there, but when he turns out not as good as we thought that we moved him back to CF and the rest is history...

Sometimes plans do change, and stumbling into the right role for players despite all the scouting saying otherwise happens. White only played as a RB twice before he joined us, played alot in DM so I'm not sure our scouts we have seen him as a RB.

But then again... Timber has NEVER played as a LB and we immediately played him as a LB lol.

Claudius

Clrnc it helps if you buy multi-positional players. Every single one of our players can handle different roles, sometime up to 3 or 4. That’s a clear recruiting requirement. You’ll notice that one dimensional players were quickly removed from the team.

It allows us to have a more resilient team with fewer players. It also allows us to do different formations on offense and defense and during different phases of the game.

Burnwinter

Claudius @Clrnc Yeah it's not been so much about recruiting players across several roles as rarely recruiting players who are awful on the ball or athletically inferior.

DiabyKungFu

It's funny that the MO on this guy was that he was an on-ball savant with question marks over his defending. So far, he looks like a lockdown defender but's he been absolutely fucking brutal on the ball. Hopefully it's just that he's playing on the wrong side but having a leftback that can pass the ball forward come on to the field was a relief.

daredevil

DiabyKungFu

It was apparent from his first appearance at LB, which is why I was so bemused when people had him starting in the position when he hadn't shown anything (talking about last year's pre-season) to usurp Zinchenko or Tomiyasu.

TBF to him, left back is not his natural position, so it favours playing more conservatively and I'm very sure he will be a completely different beast down the right.

Bring Back Kerrea Gilbert

Seems to be quality defensively and has the tools to be a one-on-one beast.

Going forward I think his ball carrying is more his thing than passing.

Might become the long term RB.

DiabyKungFu

0 passes completed from right back. He looks like he was born to defend wingers, but it would be nice to have at least one good on-the-ball day at some point.

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DiabyKungFu

I wouldn’t judge him too harshly on that as we were down to ten men v best side in the world.

Let’s see what he does v Leicester and Southampton etc

Big Willie

DiabyKungFu 0 passes completed from right back. He looks like he was born to defend wingers, but it would be nice to have at least one good on-the-ball day at some point.

Read on opta that apparently Havertz somehow didn't complete a single pass all game which is mind blowing. Like no way is that true, is it?

Qwiss

DiabyKungFu he had 93% pass completion against Atalanta, decent against Brighton and Villa too. Spurs he was a bit dodgy and obviously not great at City, although he did complete one pass, the no passes appears to be an exaggeration.

goon

It was a superb defensive performance.

I thought he looked pretty slick on the ball in terms of dribbling, kept it quite well on the touchline a couple of times. He does seem to get a little lost inverting, doesn't look like he's used to asking or showing for the ball in central areas of the pitch.

Mirth

Big Willie Havertz is less surprising than Timber given that Kai was up on his own and trying to win flick ons etc

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