Timberrrrrrrrrr! : Page 8 - The Arsenal discussion community: One More in the Tolly

Timberrrrrrrrrr!

Clrnc

Sicario2 - Tier 1 When Arteta pushed the blame firmly on the doctor in the presser you know it isn't a small injury.

Tbh with such injuries I never get the blame on the player himself. The doctor have to give the proper advice. Can't be based on just the player feelings.

Not sure if we could blame the manager if the doctor instruction was that the player is fine and he could run it off, pain is temporary etc.

Pepe LeFrits

RocktheCasbah he'll be out for at least six months, I think you can almost say it's a season ender by the time he gets back to full fitness.

Yeah it's a minimum of six months, that's the best case scenario. I did my ACL when I was 29 and my recovery took 15 months, and I never regained full leg extension (98/99%, so close). I had complications (had to get a second op after 9 months) and he'll obviously get a higher standard of care, though, so fingers crossed for the lad.

Clrnc

Pepe LeFrits Where's speedy when we need him. I remember he mentioned most players who done their ACL was never the same player again..

Meatwad

saliba too. got hurt at fulham and then starts in a europa league game. he has this idea that elite players (or those who have the potential to get there) shouldn't need rest.

Bring Back Kerrea Gilbert

Will he even come back as good as he is now?

I am so pissed off at all responsible for this.

awooga83

Clrnc I think that's certainly my worry not just in the immediate term but these are tough injuries and at the highest level any loss of level can be pretty significant.

Bryant

Clrnc

Hard to say. With advances in medical technology, players have been able to come back faster than before. Timber's young so he has the benefit of time and faster recovery than an older player. These athletes are also the most elite specimens and get world class recovery and 24/7 rehab.

Different sports, but Kroneke's other teams had key players tear their ACL and come back and dominate their respective sports (and trophies). Cooper Kupp and Jamal Murray.

Ricky1985

I'm actually pretty damn sad absout this. I really liked him in that LB role and thought his versatility would be invaluable.

Hopeful that maybe it's not a full tear of the ACL, but it's going to be months whatever the case.

DiabyKungFu

Big opportunity for Captain Jack, one would think. Hopefully Dula is right about him.

Ricky1985

🙁

lorddulaarsenal

Ah crap. Get better soon Jurrien

lorddulaarsenal

I suspect Tomiyasu will be retained

Ricky1985

lorddulaarsenal

I think Tomiyasu was going to stay anyway, it's Tierney that was going to be sold (and still should be imo). But with Timber out, we've lost that bilateral cover for the "inverted" FB role.

Gutted. And I gotta say, if it is indeed a torn ACL, the new doctor has a lot to answer for in sending him back out there. I bet Arteta is absolutely fuming. That's not to say the damage perhaps wasn't already done, but it just stinks of incompetence to me.

Gazza M

on first viewing, the slow mo reminded me of bobby's ACL injury. he also landed pretty innocuously, but you could see a nasty looking pop in his knee

horrible news really. pretty much a season ender, considering how long the physical and mental recovery takes

goon

Given that he was able to run after half time but then had to limp off… does that mean it was made significantly worse by coming on or do ACL tears not work like that?

Feels like a massive cock up if so - like you’d have had to completely discount the possibility of an ACL or muscle issue.

Ricky1985

goon

It could have been a strain or partial tear to his ACL that turned into a full rupture after half-time. Or damage to the MCL that turned into an ACL tear.

Whatever the case, the doctor has some serious questions to answer, surely. A £40m asset... it's a big fucking call to give him the all clear to go back out there.

Pepe LeFrits

goon Given the pop appears to have happened in the second half, I'd imagine O'Driscoll did a lachman test while checking on him before that and he'd have passed it. There's only so much you can tell without getting a scan.

Sicario2 - Tier 1

Ricky1985

Fucking fireable offence. That’s gross misconduct and has fucked our season.

I hope it’s not the same Doctor that is leaving for Man Utd…

Ricky1985

Pepe LeFrits
I am probably being unfair. It's most likely just a very unfortuante case of there being significant enough damage to result in a rupture as soon as he put strain on the knee in the second half, but not enough damage to prevent him passing the doctor's test.

I just had a look and the physio went through the tests on the knee on the pitch too, and Arteta was calling for a sub at that time.

it's just one of those things I guess.

I absolutely fucking hate ACL injuries in football. I live in fear of them for our boys always.

goon

Pepe LeFrits

I’ve seen suggestions it happened just before the first half tackle?

I guess we’re dealing with hugely experienced doctors though so who are we to criticise.

daredevil

It's taken 2 days and an MRI scan to ascertain the damage caused to the knee, and people are knocking the Doctor for not being able to pick it up in 15 minutes in a busy changing room without any technological equipment. The Doctor would have conducted a physical mobility test to assess the integrity of the knee and would have relied on feedback from Jurrien on whether he felt any pain. According to Arteta, the player said he was happy to continue, which in turn meant the Doctor gave the green light. Looking for a scapegoat here is absurd.

DiabyKungFu

goon I’ve seen suggestions it happened just before the first half tackle?

I think a partial tear happened during the first half and a rupture happened during the second half. The Lachman test can check for ruptures but not partial tears.

« Previous Page Next Page »