Pre-Season 23/24: Page 22 - The Arsenal discussion community: One More in the Tolly

Pre-Season 23/24

Don Pacifico

Big Willie why is someone's first instinct to film that...

Bring Back Kerrea Gilbert

Don Pacifico people film other people getting literally murdered these days, like the gormless fucking shit stains they are.

lorddulaarsenal

Can see the squad being put through an intense week or so of training.

Think it’s clear that fitness and physical levels aren’t yet where we need them to be. Once sorted that’ll bring about a massive improvement in our game

lorddulaarsenal

That said we may be taking a different approach this season. Rather than spring out the blocks and fade towards the latter parts of the season we may be looking for endurance

Big Willie

lorddulaarsenal That said we may be taking a different approach this season. Rather than spring out the blocks and fade towards the latter parts of the season we may be looking for endurance

As long as we keep getting the points even during a slow start to the season, I don't mind.

Don't even think we sprung out the blocks that hard last season anyways. We were grinding a lot of wins out that could ha e gone either way. We faded because we didn’t want or weren't able to rotate.

Qwiss

naz looks like that U21 tournament was really good for him. If he can keep relatively injury free he could have a big season.

Meatwad

Qwiss
yup. hopefully the U21 championships are as good to him as the olympics was for gnabry.

Burnwinter

naz He looks to be showing the attitude you'd want from Vieira doesn't he? Great to see him getting fitter, his runouts last season were a bit hard to watch.

If Havertz is a bit lukewarm Smith Rowe will never get a better chance to work his way into the reckoning regularly.

MistaT

Burnwinter — I wouldn’t be surprised to see ESR get a solid opportunity via cup games to jump ahead of Havertz. Will only happen quicker if Arteta recognizes ESRs commitment (skipping holiday) and his improved physical state.

Arterta doesn’t strike me as selling Havertz on him being an automatic starter, but rather on stability and personal growth.

As much as I want Havertz to work out, selfishly I want ESR even more as I absolutely love his game and team connection.

Big Willie

Have a lot of time for ESR. Feel he's been very unlucky with injuries, to the point where people forget just how good he was when he was breaking through. Guy has some unreal close control dribbling whilst running with the ball, has grown up in the Arsene academy so is great at the pass and move third man running type of game and is a good finisher. Best of all, we can start singing the Saka and Emile Smith Rowe song again 😉.

I'm definitely biased but I'd take a fully fit, on the top of his game ESR over Havertz any day of the week for any of those forward roles. If he's fully fit and back in shape then I think he deserves decent shot at winning his place back. And I reckon Arteta will give it to him. I mean he's saved Arteta's reign at Arsenal from being cut short on two occasions.

Sicario2 - Tier 1

Big Willie

Hi mate, hope you’re well and having a good summer?

On your point re ESR saving Arteta’s bacon on two occasions, I clearly remember Chelsea at home Dec 2020 being the first but out of interest, which game was the second one?

Big Willie

Sicario2 - Tier 1 Hi mate, hope you’re well and having a good summer?

On your point re ESR saving Arteta’s bacon on two occasions, I clearly remember Chelsea at home Dec 2020 being the first but out of interest, which game was the second one?

Hey mate. Yeah I'm doing well thanks. Just been really busy with work these days so haven't been around as much. Hope you've been well and enjoying your holidays.

Yeah the first one was that time against Chelsea where both he and Saka really stepped it up. Second time was in 2021 where we had a poor run losing to Liverpool, United and Everton almost back to back and then ESR went on a run scoring in the next 3 or 4 games. Maybe Arteta wasn't under threat so much but having finished 8th the season before and going on such a run there were lots of disgruntled people. Think we started playing our best football in the 2 or so months after that when we put ourselves in prime position for 4th which we ultimately failed to get.

lorddulaarsenal

I’d say Trossard is ahead of Smith Rowe in Arteta’s thinking for that slot

Ricky1985

Agree with that Dules. And that 8 position is the one place I do really quite like Trossard in. It's also Smith Rowe's best position by far I think. Actually, I think for them both in this system and with the level we're striving for, it's the only position they can both play to a high enough level if they want serious game time.

Big Willie

Ricky1985 Agree with that Dules. And that 8 position is the one place I do really quite like Trossard in. It's also Smith Rowe's best position by far I think. Actually, I think for them both in this system and with the level we're striving for, it's the only position they can both play to a high enough level if they want serious game time

I agree with Dules as well that Trossard is ahead of ESR for that role but the benefit of Trossard is he can play a variety of positions to a high level as well. That left 8 role, wide left, even as a shadow striker/false 9.

naz

Ricky1985 I think he can go wide left too. Tross can play up front. Lots of versatility

Meatwad

trossard played false 9 at a high enough level for us last season. there was no dropoff between him and jesus (before injury).

lorddulaarsenal

Hopefully Jesus gets his fitness and sharpness back. I’d like to see him play the box is lava less too

JazzG

Barca game should be interesting, lets hope Arteta uses that game to tap up Frenkie De Jong.....

lorddulaarsenal

JazzG big cuddle with Frenkie at the full time whistle incoming

daredevil

I think Trossard would be our best LCM and would secure the position, if given the chance to do so.

It's annoying Nketiah hasn't generated any interest from other clubs as he's come good for us two seasons in a row, despite having clear limitations in his game. Would like a bid for him to entice the club to sell, so we can buy and try someone else.

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