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Kai Havertz

Claudius

Coombs he had five recoveries yesterday. The hustle is there and is an upgrade from Xhaka in that regard. Helps us keep the ball higher up the field. We domianted territory yesterday. It’s the offensive movement that is bad right now. When Marrinelli gets the ball, where do you run to ensure he has options? That’s the most glaring thing right now.

flobaba

Claudius his link up play in midfield is also suspect. In that video where Zinchenko was talking up Xhaka, he spoke to the Swiss' ability to anticipate spaces where the ball could come through before the pass was made and to step in there to pick up the ball. It was fundamental to our offensive transition and for breaking opponent's midfield lines. Kai sees, and is able to receive the easy, in to feet passes, but isn't nearly as adept at feeling out the holes where the line splitting pass will be coming into. That's where his biggest sync needs to happen in my opinion. Scoring goals will be a natural bonus/by-product of that vision.

Burnwinter

awooga83 That's my take on it. I think if he isn't dropped Trossard and Vieira will be asking why. If it's not off the bench, he could play in home games, against teams that park the bus, or in specific competitions rather than starting every match.

Qwiss

After the break we'll be playing 2 games a week, I think that spot becomes the most obvious for rotation as well as CF.

KingslandBarge

Qwiss I initially find myself agreeing with DiabyKungFu (perhaps for different reasons) and that playing him for the Everton fixture could still be a manageable risk, hoping that his integration progresses. I'd be curious to see how he does with Germany.
At the same time, it would be really unfortunate to let the flame Trossard and Vieira have caught to die out without us capitalising on it. Can't be taking it for granted, and personally can't be playing favourites either. Maybe Havertz can be lined up for PSV and Brentford in the EFL.

Qwiss

KingslandBarge Thats partly what I'm getting at. I think he should start one of Everton and PSV but not both. If his form doesn't improve soon I'd be swapping out ESR and Vieira though and giving Kai minutes off the bench. Right after PSV is Spurs, can't say I want him to start that one but who knows. Its a pity he'll be away with Germany because having the break at Arsenal could have been good for him.

Pepe LeFrits

I suspect games like Everton away are part of the reason Arteta signed him (no pressure, Kai).

daredevil

This is what a good Kai looks like.

Sicario2 - Tier 1

https://x.com/now_arsenai/status/1701700886496694435?s=46&t=VPDWjpOiUrz3e7b_vl9j_g

goon

Turning into space, driving with it and attempting a progressive pass. All things he’s been shying away from recently. Hopefully we’ll see more of this after the break.

lorddulaarsenal

Better as an RCM

Sicario2 - Tier 1

lorddulaarsenal

Move Ode to LCM as Martinelli needs more help than Saka and try Havertz at RCM…

Qwiss

Sicario2 - Tier 1 why move one of the most crucial players in the team from the position he excels?

Havertz was signed to play LCM and he needs to figure that out. Hopefully a decent display with Germany gives him a boost coming back to the squad.

Claudius

Sicario2 - Tier 1 Not a great idea to move our greatest scoring threat to a new position where he will find it harder to create the opportunities he loves. Stick with it

Pepe LeFrits

Nice assist for Sane's goal against France

lorddulaarsenal

Be worth trying him there when Odegaard needs a breather

Burnwinter

This guy's really rocking some deep trauma from his Chelsea stint, someone get him a copy of THE BODY KEEPS THE SCORE …

Something Wenger was good at (or at least something Wenger made a virtue out of) was ensuring a player who was psyching himself out of form understood Wenger would just keep playing him, that he couldn't get out of being on the pitch just by freaking out, and that freaking out wouldn't get him abandoned or discarded in a hurry.

Once the only consequence left is going out and looking a bit like a donkey week by week, some of the guys who get into the sort of headspace Havertz seems to be in will finally pull their fingers out and stop self-sabotaging.

It'll be interesting to see how far Arteta can back himself here, as Havertz is his project.

Kel Varnsen

Not sure why it is assumed it is just a confidence issue. I think he just looks like a mediocre player with no real stand out strengths.

awooga83

Kel Varnsen I tend to agree with this, it's not really clear what is leading to his performance exactly but a reasonable hypothesis is that he's just not developed in line with any early potential and this is pretty much him and his time at Chelsea wasn't some anomaly but in line with his quality. Still early but so far he's shown me nothing to say he actually is a better player then what we saw playing for Chelsea.

daredevil

Kel Varnsen

I think the same. He looks like he's just arrived from Germany and is struggling to adjust to the technical demands of our game.

He runs and presses like a man possessed but then on the ball his passes are always under hit, often lack accuracy and generally tend to be lay offs to his nearest man, or returned back to where the ball came from. It's very likely the higher demands of the PL have just exposed his technical abilities. Won't be the first top player from Germany to translate his qualities abroad.

As others have said, he looked much better up front where his pressing and lay offs actually have value.

Bring Back Kerrea Gilbert

Much improved game I thought.

Bernard Woolley

I thought he was much better once Jesus went off and he went to #9 - feels like he understands the demands of that position much better and his link play is much more suited to playing with back to goal rather than driving from midfield. Was involved in the Ode goal as well.

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Bernard Woolley

Agreed. I personally think he hides in midfield and tries to get away with doing the bare minimum.

Up front different player and actually looks half decent. Not sure because he knows he’s often the last past of the action so can’t just hide or just feels naturally more comfortable there.

Can see him scoring a big goal in a big game when we least expect it and ‘announcing himself’. Still very weird/intriguing player.

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