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Kai Havertz

goon

And when you think about how Xhaka played in that left 8 role…

Clrnc

goon I think it must be Kiwior at LB though to make it work. Xhaka does alot of dirty work for the constant MIA Zinchenko. We will be too open with Havertz and Zinchenko.

Basically going towards City formation of playing 2 10s and having a CB at LB (Ake/Akanji)

goon

I know someone posted this already but worth reposting in case it was missed. The bit at the end exemplifies exactly how I think he will be used.

goon

Clrnc

Seen this said a few times but I disagree. it’s Gabriel that babysits Zinchenko more than Xhaka, who’s usually well up the pitch… being fed the ball by Zinchenko!

But will be interesting to see. I’d love to see us go all out with total football personally.

lorddulaarsenal

goon

I recon we may switch to a back three with either Zinchenko or Timber alongside Rice

Sicario2 - Tier 1

Yep, the biggest risk of Havertz replacing Xhaka is that we will lose the latter’s defensive qualities unless we fundamentally change the way we play/set up which could be the case.

QuincyAbeyie

Actually Xhaka's stats defensively were really poor since playing his more attacking role.
(obviously the percentiles can't be used since it's vs other forwards for Havertz and vs midfielders for Xhaka, but the absolute values are similar as well)

Ricky1985

lorddulaarsenal

That's effectively how we played last season anyway.

Given the players we've been linked to, I expect we'll still see 3 pure defenders and 1 fullback that moves into midfield. The difference is next season we'll have the option to set-up both ways - Kiwior and (a tucked in) Timber vs White and (a tucked in) Zinchenko. So, we'll be way less predictable and not as reliant on Zinchenko's fitness.

I think Caicedo was the first choice for that role, but having watched some videos of Timber, it looks to me like he can offer a lot of what Caicedo could from the tucked in RB role.

lorddulaarsenal

What that and try telling me you ain’t excited

Gazza M

if he can be deployed as a 9.5 with sprinkles of 8, and we can still keep our defensive shape, then he could be very good

him and rice deffo fulfil our lanky, chiselled jawline quota

Coombs

It's gonna be so fucking brilliant when he rips Chelsea to shreds in red and white.

banduan

Coombs It's gonna be so fucking brilliant when he rips Chelsea to shreds in red and white.

given what some of their fans have said about him, absolutely.

It looks like Arteta might make him the left-sided Odegaard Viera was meant to be. Just like Martin, despite his appearance his defensive numbers are well up there.

Gazza M

Coombs 100 percent. nothing would please me more than havertz going on to be a world beater for arsenal

lorddulaarsenal

If Kai can fill out even just a little, he’ll be no monsterous. 6 foot 3..

awooga83

Wasn't a signing I felt we needed and with the price we've shelled out not massively happy because I think we have other priorities in the team. However will see how he gets on, no idea from his time at Chelsea what his best position is or how he'll fit into Arsenal but we'll need him to perform right away

TambourineMan

Let's hope Arteta's plan for him works and we see the Kai Havertz that was promised during his time with Bayer.

I am not convinced that the plan is for him to play as a left sided 10 or 8. I think he's been bought for the front three and as a rotating option with Jesus and cover for Ode.

GooneriC

Waste of money signing. One hopes we dont miss out on a Caicedo or Rice because we dumped £60 million on Kai Havertz.

TambourineMan

Spent a bit of time on a Chelsea forum going through his thread in the period between Jan-23 and May-23 before they knew he'd be leaving for us and it still doesn't make for pretty reading. Most would have been happy to see him go for way less than what we have now paid and almost none still rated him as an option. This move would have been fantasy stuff for most on that forum during that period.

It's a bit frustrating but Arteta and co. got it right with Ramsdale, White, Zinchenko and Jesus when large portions of the fan base were sceptical so let's see on this one.

The highs if it works out will be glorious and the lows will be painful. Amazing to get one over Chelsea or horrible to be seen as being Chelsea's bitch and dumping ground once again.

banduan

TambourineMan but Arteta and co. got it right with Ramsdale, White, Zinchenko and Jesus when large portions of the fan base were sceptical

and Jorginho and Trossard... they earned quite a bit of capital there

Clrnc

TambourineMan I saw that they are all over the moon to be making a profit on him. Weird fan base, they will live to regret this when he fires on all cylinder for us

goon

Not really interested in what Chelsea fans have to say. Their view is skewed but what a horrible time they’ve had.

Fans on the whole are also pretty superficial, they won’t be looking at what he brings to the team or what he can bring to the team, they’ll be looking at the chances he misses and will say good riddance. Jesus has suffered a similar hit despite mostly being great for us this season.

Chelsea are losing 3 players who are moving to better placed rivals and the fans are celebrating.

QuincyAbeyie

goon Fans on the whole are also pretty superficial, they won’t be looking at what he brings to the team or what he can bring to the team, they’ll be looking at the chances he misses and will say good riddance. Jesus has suffered a similar hit despite mostly being great for us this season.

Not sure about that, he missed tons of chances before the injury as well.

Pepe LeFrits

goon Chelsea are losing 3 players who are moving to better placed rivals and the fans are celebrating.

They've been celebrating for a year+ now because they keep 'winning' the transfer windows

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