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Kai Havertz

Mirth

Don't know why everyone's fixated on the Fulham result when it's clear the run from 9 Dec to 20 Jan where we only managed 3 points is what really fucked us over. That run of form was well below average.

You're always going to drop stupid points over the course of the season, even Man City do, and a freak result can happen. Week after week of poor results however isn't acceptable for any manager never mind one challenging for the title.

Clrnc

Mirth You are right, but in an alternate reality someone could also easily say that if we had won on GW4 against 10 man Fulham, we could have afforded to go on a 5 weeks run with just 3 points in that entire period and still won the title.

Burnwinter

QuincyAbeyie Im just saying Sicario was right to make a crisis out of the results, if the goal is the league title.

Sort of. I think you're spot on in one sense, if you open a season 0–3 as we did a couple of seasons back, that's game over for winning the title.

I'm not so keen on "making a crisis" ... I like watching and following Arsenal, and I don't (and few do) have the energy to continually gnash and wail for 30+ league matches. I lose my suspension of disbelief when fellow fans make extreme claims as regularly as they reverse them.

We fans cook up these negative narratives for the catharsis and the enjoyment, the way liberals in the United States can't stop talking and even fantasising about Trump. There's plenty of other pleasurable fan personae to swap through a season. It's all good, it's half the fun.

RocktheCasbah

QuincyAbeyie literally all I am saying is I don't think it's healthy to catastrophise after one bad result - and that I don't think that Sicario was right, as Clarence has suggested, to say drawing against Fulham cost us the league title.

That's it. I don't see that these should be controversial opinions.

Coombs

RocktheCasbah exactly. Dropping 2 points to Fulham would have been meaningless if we had beat Villa, or even Fulham later on. Hindsight is being confused with insight.

Claudius

We catastrophize so much more as followers of an 89 point team than we ever did in the Mustafi era. The increase of online social engagement around football means that we go into a lot of micro-analysis of each game, and often ascribe much more value to each individual result than we normally should given the noisy nature of this low-scoring game. Add to that rival fans on every digital platform taunting and teasing over every little thing. It's a less relaxed enviroment than it was 10 years ago. That's why sometimes I take a break from online spaces, especially when I suspect there is a separation between discourse and reality.

Mirth

Clrnc that’s not a well thought out point though

May as well just say we need 114 points and be done with it

Qwiss

Mirth 114 to beat 115

CPM

Arteta needs to stop Havertz diving so much, he needs to always play his size and focus on beating players and progressing the ball instead of trying to win free kicks. When he lets that more 'passive' energy come into his game it spreads to his chance conversion, he needs to be assertive at all times.

Kel Varnsen

Played well up front. Good movement off the ball, and wins a surprisingly amount of headers.

Clrnc

Thought he had an excellent game and some of his layoffs were extreme smart.

Superb player

Claudius

Clrnc the guy is still developing and finding his place. His ceiling is unbelievable.

Kel Varnsen

Clrnc

Still too hesitant in front of goal. Got into some good positions yesterday, but was a bit too indecisive/slow to finish.

goon

Reckon he may quietly end up with 17-20 league goals. Will be tough because he’s not the type to score a hattrick or a brace against cannon fodder, but I do think he’ll consistently score goals.

Don Pacifico

goon agree. If he keeps playing regularly, the service he's getting alone should enable that. The brilliance of his goal yesterday is that I don't think we have any other attacker who does that. Fulfils Mikel 'Variety' Arteta's vision.

Qwiss

goon if he stays fit and doesn't get shunted back to midfield to cover some sort of crisis then I think he'll definitely score that much. He can easily score more too, that one yesterday where Martinelli found him free around 8 yards from goal and he managed to not even get it on target is an example of where he can improve a lot. I suspect at some point he'll have a spell where those ones start going in. I reckon he might even get himself on Emirates hat trick wall this season too.

Sicario2 - Tier 1

Anyone have him in their fantasy premier league teams?

I was so close in picking him but was worried he would share mins with Jesus so wasn’t as nailed on. Might have to change my mind if he will constantly play 70/80 mins plus

Clrnc

Sicario2 - Tier 1 captained him

Qwiss

Sicario2 - Tier 1 same. Was worried he'd cover midfield until Merino comes in. Had Wood instead though so can't complain too much.

awooga83

I think my only worry or rather where I would like to see us add to the squad is his inconsistency he'll do really good things and then put a decent chance well wide. That's been pretty much in his game forever so I don't think it'll change but we still need that player who can score when we aren't able to create as much.

Sicario2 - Tier 1

awooga83
Exactly this.

We also need someone who can score one goal from one chance. In the big, big games ie Bayern, City away we need this kind of player. Not sure Kai is that man but he can be a damn good flat track bully.

Mirth

awooga83 Agree that he's inconsistent within a game but he's got 17 G+A in 15 games which is a very strong record.

Mirth

Sicario2 - Tier 1 Flat track bully is fine - it's not like Haaland would be any better in those situations either.

Claudius

All strikers do this. We just need to up our open play chance generation. Someone like Kane was able to get up to 4.5 shots a game at his peak. He was wasting basically close to 4.0 of those shots.

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