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Kai Havertz

Pepe LeFrits

QuincyAbeyie

Pepe LeFrits

QuincyAbeyie Martin Odegaard likes this.

Clrnc

His xG is very decent too, maybe not his finishing though haha

lorddulaarsenal

Clrnc feels like things could really click for him with us

Bernard Woolley

I guess a midfield combination of Partey / Lavia, Jorginho, Ode, Havertz and Rice could allow us to play a MF 3 with varying degrees of attacking / defensive strengthening depending on the opposition and maybe even the competition. May be a base case MF of Rice / Havertz / Odegaard against the bottom half of the table and bringing in Lavia against better teams or something along those lines. Rice can play 6 and 8, Havertz can play 8, false 9 and perhaps even back Saka up, giving us some flexibility in dealing with injuries. The only concern I'd have is financial and where this leaves us in terms of getting backup for Saka (presuming ESR / Nelson is backup for Martinelli and Trossard for Jesus).

Gazza M

partey and xhaka out

rice, havertz, lavia in

not really sure if we're significantly better looking at that

HomeSteak

Gazza M I don't think we are better at all. We are worse

They paid 62 + 9 million addones, and now they want 70 mil.

Qwiss

Clrnc and £200k a week. Not a fan of this deal at all but it looks like it's happening so I really hope Arteta can work some magic on him.

jones

Like Havertz a lot from before his move to Chelsea like @Clrnc but really we don't deserve shit if we do this, worse still at the 70m fee bandied about.

He's as talented as anyone but a) had three mostly poor years behind him b) plays in a position we don't have c) would cost an arm and a leg and most importantly d) is a Chelsea player, even if he doesn't bomb we'd be 100% helping them balance their books, get rid of a non-performing guy on big wages, fund their acquisition of Caicedo or whoever etc. Ridiculous how we just can't stay away from their guys despite not one of them working out for us.

JazzG

I don't really get this argument about helping Chelsea, if we won't buy him someone else will. Then also factor in their deals in Saudi & Man Utd being interested in Mount they'll find a way around this.

We are interested in the guy because the manger thinks he will bring something to this side. He got 15+ G/A out of Xhaka last season, I'm sure if he has a plan for Havertz he can fit him in.

We need to focus on improving our team, not worry about other teams.

goon

JazzG

Completely agree. People need to let go of the inferiority complex.

The only valid reason for not wanting Havertz is if you don't think he'll make us materially better.

QuincyAbeyie

goon The only valid reason for not wanting Havertz is if you don't think he'll make us materially better.

Hmm, don't really agree with that. If he costs 70m then making us materially better than by simply not signing anyone isn't enough.

Thinking other signings would help us more than what he will is plenty enough reason not to want him. You yourself didn't think we'd sign Caicedo if we sign Rice for big money, so it doesn't really sound like you disagree with it either.

JazzG

goon Exactly, I mean I completely understand concerns about his fee or about whether he is a good fit. I even understand comments about whether he is good enough because he has not been anywhere near his potential since joining Chelsea.

If the club think he is the player we need to make us better than I am all for it. I think he could be a 15+ G/A player for us, which would be great considering we already have a few who can put up those kind of stats.

Qwiss

goon it's not an inferiority complex. I think we're too good for Kai Havertz. He's not shown he's good enough to play for us.

goon

QuincyAbeyie

Sure, it all falls under the same umbrella.

Personally I don’t know how anyone could know who’d improve the team more without knowing what the plan is for each of these players.

I like the idea of Caicedo and Rice beefing up our midfield and making it highly competitive. But now we’re after Havertz I also like the idea of him as an 8 and Rice as a 6 - with the option of playing Rice as an 8 and Jorginho as a 6 when the need arises.

QuincyAbeyie

goon nobody can know whether their opinion about anything is correct, it's surely about what they believe will be the outcome, as with everything else.

I'm not even arguing against the idea of Havertz here, but your principle that you shouldn't care about his price if he'll improve us even if our budget is limited (at least that's what I got from the part I replied to).

goon

QuincyAbeyie

Nah - that’s fair enough and fits into the same umbrella. I wasn’t making any point about the price.

HomeSteak

JazzG

HomeSteak A bit more than would have wanted but hopefully gets the deal done.

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