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Arteta, crumbles under pressure?

goon

Clrnc Don't really agree with that at all. We can't be overanalysing and constantly giving ourselves excuses/reasons like these.

My post has nothing to do with 'excusing' this season. If anything saying 'bottling it' is just part of our DNA and we can't do anything about it is closer to excusing it.

Secondly, surely analysing and finding reasons for our failure is exactly what we should be doing?

QuincyAbeyie

Hm, no idea what you're talking about with the DNA stuff, but 'bottling it' is quite literally the opposite of excusing it, since it just means that we did much worse than can be expected of us in the situation we were in.

goon

QuincyAbeyie Hm, no idea what you're talking about with the DNA stuff

Well it's pretty pertinent to my point:

goon

QuincyAbeyie

goon misread your post. Thought it said "bottling it or it's just part of our DNA" so I just meant to respond to the bottling part.

Sicario2 - Tier 1

Clrnc

Agree with all this.

In football, much like in life, sometime you get opportunities when you least expect them. You have to do whatever you can (legally) to take these opportunities or there may not be another one.

In a years time when we are battling for fourth place you will realise how much of a missed opportunity this season was.

Everyone thought we would be in numerous CL finals post Paris but that never happened. Knew it at the time. Sometimes you just get one shot.

Big Willie

Sicario2 - Tier 1 n a years time when we are battling for fourth place you will realise how much of a missed opportunity this season was

Not buying that. We're a really good team. No reason to think we'll be battling for just fourth next season.

Plus this season isn't over yet. Everybody is upset, I get it, but we need a bit of calm and see what we've been doing is something that works. We've been on the wrong side of fine margins recently, shit happens. Let's finish as strong as possible and take it to the wire.

Coombs

Clrnc We can't be overanalysing and constantly giving ourselves excuses/reasons like these.

So, analyze it without overanalyzing, then. What's the reason?

Clrnc

Coombs We have been here before. Game management, lack of rotation, not utilising subs correctly, slow to react. And plenty more already discussed.

Today freshened team shown plenty of evidence that's the way to go

RowJimmy

Coombs So, analyze it without overanalyzing, then. What's the reason?

We ran out of gas.

Coombs

Clrnc sounds complicated. Maybe they just can't handle the pressure.

goon

Clrnc

Don't you think these are all things you learn from experience though? Both for Arteta and the players? Which goes back to my earlier point about why it's less likely to happen next season and the following one.

I think we've already seen signs of Arteta learning from those mistakes in the last 2-3 games.

Bring Back Kerrea Gilbert

goon just needs more players he trusts.

I thought Jorg and Kiwi's performances were fairly encouraging for example.

flobaba

Needs more players he trusts, or needs to place his trust in more players?

The latter is the sign of a great manager, and is what helps the player(s) flourish.

goon

flobaba

Bit of both for sure but I don't think anyone should be arguing against adding 2-3 higher quality options that don't need to win trust.

Clrnc

goon I am pretty sure after another 100-200m spending this summer, the same argument will be presented here again that we need better squad again.

Our squad is fine this year.

Bring Back Kerrea Gilbert

It's been a mixed bag so far. Vieira and Lokonga are not good enough and were mistakes. Tomiyasu is a good utility defender but his fitness is pathetic so we should get rid of those three if there's a market for them.

More Trossard and Kiwior-level player and better are needed.

goon

Clrnc

Well those of us who repeat that line each season have been saying that the last few years and each year we've progressed from 8th to 5th to a title challenge. We're driving the club towards a quadruple.

If you guys had your way we'd still be having fun and games with Leno, Bellerin, Sokratis, Mari, Cedric, Douzi, Ozil and Auba.

QuincyAbeyie

Yes, the critics famously wanted to keep Leno as our first choice.

Clrnc

Other than Douzi and Auba (half a year) where people wanted us to either keep or sold for higher fees, the rest is just nonsense.

Cedric was famously given 4 years contract and on loan can't even get a game for Fulham

goon

Relax lads I was only teasing.

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