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West Ham vs Arsenal | Sunday, 2pm

DiabyKungFu

For what it's worth, West Ham have underperformed their underlying numbers more than any team in the league so far. They're actually a reasonably solid mid-table team by performance levels. Prediction markets only had us at 50-60% to win this game in the first place. This wasn't some huge upset. The possibility of a result like this ought to have been reasonably priced into expectations heading into this. Perhaps it wasn't and this is why people are losing their minds over this one.

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Meatwad

Mentally I think we will have to beat City to win the title which won’t happen of course.

All about momentum at this stage of the season.

DiabyKungFu

West Ham played in Europe on Thur. Today was a must win and we shouldn’t be using excuses or make out West Ham are better than they are. They let in 5 goals in their previous home game ffs.

Clrnc

DiabyKungFu When we when 2 nil up in the first 9 mins, the West Ham fans around me was fearing 6 or 7 goals. They were that bad and we suddenly took the piss for a period, let them off the hook and never recovered. It was ridiculous.

DiabyKungFu

goon maybe they don’t impact Partey having his worst game of the season,

Southampton and Leeds are up there as well, which does seem to suggest that Zinchenko does in fact have something to do with it (regardless of whether you want to "blame" Partey or "blame" Tierney for this state of affairs).

Claudius

goon agree with all this.

lorddulaarsenal

Nelson needs to start over Martinelli.

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lorddulaarsenal

No way, he’s showing pre-WC form again. If anything it’s Saka that needs to get dropped. He’s been awful last two games.

P.S: no more games this season please @Clrnc :-)

Clrnc

lorddulaarsenal Just about said it as well.

After watching Martinelli in the flesh twice, I think it would be great if we could have someone to rotate with him. He's not a priority for upgrading but someone like Mitoma will take his place if we had him

Bring Back Kerrea Gilbert

lorddulaarsenal instead of Saka for me, for a game or two.

Martinelli is super productive right now.

Clrnc

Anyway FWIW, Jorginho was good when he came on too. We need to know how to make changes earlier when the game is going away from us.

Nelson caused Coufal worries too, more than what Martinelli threatened for the previous 60mins but he only had 5 mins.

Trossard is an unbelievable player, but he really needed a striker in front of him today. They couldn't get a hold of him but it was for nothing as there was no one up front

Qwiss

Clrnc bringing Jorginho and Trossard on too worked to gain a bit of control. Its good that Arteta learned from last week as its exactly what should have happened at 2-1 up at Anfield. The problem this week was we were already at 2-2 and looking to need to make changes to become more offensive in the next few minutes.

Meatwad

before when i wanted to avoid arsenal news i just had to check up on american sports scores. now on yahoo sports i'm seeing headlines like this "Arsenal blow another 2-0 lead, draw at West Ham as title hopes take a hit"
WTF i didn't come here for that, i want to see how the braves are getting on.

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A goal and two assists in last two games, very harsh critique on our number 11.

Agree that Arteta needs to be more pro-active with his sub’s though.

lorddulaarsenal

Sicario2 - Tier 1 we just have better command of the ball when Nelson plays. Martinelli’s pace and directness makes things happen but he’s another who isn’t a great fit for the side. He’s too head down at times

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lorddulaarsenal
Nelson had a couple of opportunities in EL and stunk the place up. Mart is our leading goalscorer.

Just because Nelson scored one memorable goal v Bournemouth doesn’t mean he is the answer to all our problems.

lorddulaarsenal

If we want to win the league we need to roll wit this eleven

———————Ramsdale
—-White—-Saliba—-Gabriel—Zinchenko
————————Partey
———-Odegaard——-Trossard
—Saka————Jesus———-Nelson

naz

lorddulaarsenal can that actually work or would it be better to have Jorgi plus Partey in middle with Trossard on the left or right for Saka/Martinelli

Mirth

You can't possibly drop Martinelli. Even if you don't rate him long term, he's the form player in our attack.

lorddulaarsenal

Yes I could. It’s obvious that our football improves when Nelson plays

Mirth

lorddulaarsenal Nelson's played 107 minutes in the league all season which is a non existent sample size. He also started in the two games against Sporting where our football was shocking. Meanwhile with Martinelli - warts and all - we're top of the league. So it's not that obvious, no.

Nelson's done well with his minutes but it's akin to people suggesting Nketiah could bench Jesus even though there's a gap in talent.

lorddulaarsenal

Sicario2 - Tier 1 he didn’t.

On the left he’s dynamite. Sounds like you haven’t watched much of him this year

invisibleman18

I guess the positive thing you can say is that it's still in our hands and the equation is still the same as it was before this game. Draw the Man City game and win all the others. Realistically though, having collapsed from 2-0 two games in a row, we just haven't quite got enough to do it.
There's no shame in 2nd and we'd all have taken it before the season but it's obviously going to be devastating having gone so close.

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lorddulaarsenal

I’m a season ticket holder mate.

If you think Nelson should replace Martinelli, who is our form player, you are mad.

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