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Artetaball Tactics Thread

Bring Back Kerrea Gilbert

Watching from the stands was an eye opener. Saka and White in particular look so leggy.

Cannot understand why Arteta plays Saka to inevitable terrible injury.

Clrnc

Burnwinter Today he got out-thought by a Postecoglou-led Spurs with no Kane. From the half hour mark they screened Odegaard out of the game almost completely, and they seized their chances pretty well. Glad we survived with a point, as if we'd lost the reporting would've been intolerable.

I am more worried by this. From about the 29th min mark onwards they pretty much controlled most of the game and we have no answer to defend against their swift attacks. I really thought Arteta would switch not only personnel but our tactics to cope with their press and attacking play.

Anyway as you aussies already knew Ange is absolute quality and can work with whatever he already have on hand.

Sicario2 - Tier 1

Clrnc

Ange is not the second coming of Sir Alex ffs.

This game was on Arteta for not trusting Nelson/ESR and poor in-game management.

To begin with, Jesus on bang on hot form should have played centrally with Nelson on the wing. Unless they are managing his mins he shouldn’t come off either.

I don’t want Eddie to play a big game again, ran out of puff after 20 mins and generally useless.

Segway

Arteta's insistence on jamming Eddie fucking Nketiah in the side today at the cost of putting Jesus out on the left makes zero sense to me when we have Nelson and ESR.

RocktheCasbah

Segway completely agree. I didn't understand how this was going to work when I saw the teams and the answer is now obvious: it wasn't going to work. I like Eddie but it's fucking insane that he is now ahead of Emile & Reiss in the pecking order.

MistaT

Lots of options today from a tactial perspective too that we’re overlooked…

I think playing Rice as the left “8” could have completely disrupted them. He would have stuck tight to Bissouma and nullified their build up intentions, and helped vs Kuvelski (who Zinny did ok against). The game would have been fine for Jorginho to start at the base.

Also would have played either of Nelson or ESR at LW as both would have everything to prove. Could them have started Jesus and kept Nketiah ready for the 65th minute.

CPM

What have Nelson or ESR done to suggest they should start a huge game? Subs could have happened earlier but Jesus-Nketiah-Saka was a reasonable selection under the circumstances. LW is probably Jesus's best position, and Nketiah has done just as much in an Arsenal shirt as Jesus.

We're just in some trouble if we're missing Martinelli and Trossard. Jesus and Nketiah aren't elite, and we're way too reliant on Saka and Ødegaard for goals.

And we still haven't figured out the Xhaka/LCM role. Vieira looked overwhelmed today – it's great that he's become an impact player but I wouldn't want him starting in a game of this magnitude. And I'm tiring of the Havertz drama – did we really need to take on such a gamble to find a #8? And give Chelsea £65m for the privilege of doing so?

Rohit

CPM What have Nelson or ESR done to suggest they should start a huge game?

ESR has played in his huge game before? Isn't that enough? And he has played incredibly well against a much better Tottenham side. We were up by 3 goals in 30 minutes then.

That's the whole point. The question is conservative. Arteta could drop what could traditionally be the logical thing and be brave.

Tottenham were braver today. In selection and in their play.

Qwiss

CPM What have Nelson or ESR done to suggest they should start a huge game?

Well Smith-Rowe has done more good work in the Premier league than Havertz or Vieira ever have. He's played in games like this and turned in cracking performances.

CPM Jesus-Nketiah-Saka was a reasonable selection under the circumstances.

I agree with that and it worked pretty well for half an hour where they pressed the shit out of Spurs to the point they barely had a kick in our half.

CPM And I'm tiring of the Havertz drama – did we really need to take on such a gamble to find a #8? And give Chelsea £65m for the privilege of doing so?

And we're paying him €300k a week. This is probably the worst transfer we've ever made. We'll almost certainly end up stuck with him sucking up wages for years.

Kel Varnsen

CPM What have Nelson or ESR done to suggest they should start a huge game?

What have Nketiah, Havertz (previously) and Vieira done? I'd say ESR and Nelson have done at least as much as Havertz and Vieira, and Nketiah has looked ok at best for us.

naz

It's bothering how we create few clear goal scoring chances every game. We labor to wins and draws

Bring Back Kerrea Gilbert

naz yep. Painful watching us try to create.

RocktheCasbah

Rohit ESR has played in his huge game before? Isn't that enough? And he has played incredibly well against a much better Tottenham side. We were up by 3 goals in 30 minutes then

I mean, he also helped save Tet's job against Chelsea. I'm finding the notion that Smith Rowe somehow needs to prove himself again, whilst Vieira flatters to deceive every other week and Kai can't even flatter, increasingly difficult to stomach. Even if Emile is not yet trusted as one of the two 8s, you know you can stick him on the left wing and he'll do...
something.

Don Pacifico

RocktheCasbah the only thing I can think it is, is he's trying to ease him back into the team without putting him under too much physical/mental pressure post-injury. Reminds me of how he was with Martinelli a couple of years back.

That's my optimistic take are least.

JazzG

We can analyse things how we want but in the first half we should have been 2 or 3 nil up and we'd be talking about a masterstroke by Arteta. Problem was we didn't take our chances, which has become a reoccurring theme for us and our heads fell and when we lost Rice our performance level dropped in the 2nd half. No doubt fatigue came into it later in the game.

Shouldn't have tried to fit Eddie and Jesus in the team, should have been Jesus with Reiss or ESR out wide. Second half we went into that half with Rice, Partey, Martinelli, Trossard and Timber all out injured. Our squad is deeper than previous years but really being tested right now

Burnwinter

Qwiss Well Smith-Rowe has done more good work in the Premier league than Havertz or Vieira ever have.

Forget track records anyway, the low bar in that position at the moment is looking vaguely lively and switched on and successfully exchanging a few passes with intent. Smith Rowe was the only player of the three to get over that bar and he did it in under five minutes.

RocktheCasbah

Don Pacifico yeah, to be fair, it is starting to look like that might be the case, he's at least getting on the pitch now. Time will tell, but this League Cup game in midweek would be a great time, assuming Emile starts it, for him to put a marker down..

Clrnc

Don Pacifico yeah but we all know that's not true. ESR played 90 minutes for u21s no problems. He doesn't even get meaningful minutes here, even as a sub. Giving him last 3 minutes like a team trying to get a waste time sub in is not a good look.

Gazza M

arteta is back to looking funny in the light

his comments through-out the summer about adding more options and versatility worried me, but i chose to overlook it after such a good season. turns out I was right to be concerned. instead of prioritising a 'death' starting 11 we went for optionality, which isn't something arteta has shown he's adept at handling. he better hope this squad keep drinking the kool-aid, because he's now dumping well regarded players from the starting 11, in service of - what, exactly? playing worse than we did before?

DiabyKungFu

Gazza M he's now dumping well regarded players from the starting 11

Who?

Sicario2 - Tier 1

As predicted when we crumbled last year, Arteta going to be in a spot of bother as the season progresses and we continue to be erratic. With higher expectations come higher pressure.

This is why you don’t draw to fucking Fulham as drawing v Spurs can happen. City beat us in 2 weeks it’s game over for title race.

He also has zero excuses as this is his squad and he’s spent god knows how much assembling it. You live and die by your decisions (putting ESR in the dark, buying Havertz, not buying proper competition for Jesus)

If we end up 3rd/4th and finish 15-20 points behind City with no trophies then this is a fucking wasted season and he loses most good will.

Some ppl act like he is the messiah but ultimately it would be 4 seasons with no trophy. There is aa massive disconnect between who we think he is and what he’s actually achieved.

SimplyThePest

Sicario2 - Tier 1 he is a helluva salesman, that’s for sure.

Burnwinter

DiabyKungFu Who?

Tried damn hard with Gabriel at the start of the season.

Gazza M

DiabyKungFu gabriel and ramsdale for a start. gabriel only got a shirt back after injuries to partey and timber. white possibly wouldve also been on the outs had timber stayed healthy. his handling of ESR is divisive as well. it's fine to drop these guys if you're bringing in clear and obvious upgrades, but we havent

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