#Deadline day Jan 2023 Edition: Page 8 - The Arsenal discussion community: One More in the Tolly

#Deadline day Jan 2023 Edition

Claudius

Vieira is another guy who is a bit stuck. But if he was at Brighton, he would be playing daily and repeating his Portuguese super Liga heroics. Big teams would be calling. He is an output monster even though he hasn’t settled. Also important to appreciate some of these dynamics I. Our own squad

QuincyAbeyie

Claudius the players we buy for our bench, especially for big money, should be players trusted to come on late in games and start if the first XI equivalent player needs a rest. Vieira, apparently, isn't that.

Claudius

QuincyAbeyie Vieria is a fucking kid who has played a bit do Portuguese league. The intel around him was if he had stayed another season in Portugal, there was a risk his price would spike the way all these other players’ pricing are spiralling. Go look at Vieira’s numbers. There isn’t a talent problem here. He probably just needs game time. But we can’t hand out developmental game time when we are chasing the 90+ points required to beat Pep.

goon

Lokonga to Palace is an excellent loan.

Clrnc

goon we don't have enough bodies. Have a sneaky feeling for a surprise

QuincyAbeyie

Claudius

Claudius QuincyAbeyie Vieria is a fucking kid

Nah.

goon

Clrnc maybe, but I reckon it's more about Sambi being better off getting regular games elsewhere than sitting on the bench not being trusted here.

But it could get tricky come March/April.

Don Pacifico

Clrnc We left the poor lad hanging after he bravely put out the post to force the move so lets do the right thing in the summer.

I mean if he really wanted to force a move then he could have handed in a transfer request (etc.). Brighton gambled (correctly) on his character that this wouldn't happen and that's probably the main reason we couldn't force a move through.

Whilst it's not the profile of signing I'd have preferred (and we're all scarred by Willian), I can see the logic for this signing (don't think he's as bad as some are making out) particularly if it's an 18 month deal.

Clrnc

Don Pacifico That's as good if not worse than a transfer request isn't it? He literally made it public and plea for a move lol.

lorddulaarsenal

Jorginho is much more progressive with his passing than Caicedo.

You’ll all fall in love at the first opposition blood boiling hop skip jump penalty his gently rolls past Ederson

James

lorddulaarsenal Jorginho is much more progressive with his passing than Caicedo.

Will give us control and game management Dools when we want to see out games. Something we’ve improved on loads this season, but can still get better at.

Clrnc

Reports that Caicedo have travelled alone to London to force a move.

Pepe LeFrits

Clrnc Reports that Caicedo have travelled alone to London to force a move.

From the same fella who claimed a deal was agreed this morning I think.

Pepe LeFrits

Clrnc This doesnt make for good reading I have to admit.

It doesn't, but I don't think you can really infer that much. Different times and circumstances. A lot of those players were signed to be first team players when we were really quite shit, which was problematic considering they were already surplus to requirements at rivals. Obviously Jorginho is surplus at Chelsea now too given their transfers, but he's been first choice DM at Chelsea all season, occasionally captaining them, and we're signing him to sit on our bench and provide cover.

Don Pacifico

Clrnc Not really - have definitely been players who have publicly expressed a desire to leave who have then ended up staying at their current club and playing well for the remainder of their time there. I'd expect Caicedo will do the same and will get a good move to a club (probably not us) in the summer.

goon

Clrnc I think a transfer request has contractual ramifications, i.e. players ends up making a financial sacrifice.

Anyway, Caicedo can't really accuse us of leaving him hanging, we made a near club record bid for him and still received zero encouragement. It's not like Brighton set a price we didn't meet.

Claudius

QuincyAbeyie Nah.

Hahahaa. He’s 22 with 2000 career league minutes, 250 of which are in Premier League. This season alone Saka has played over 1500 Premier League minutes.

Expecting Vieira to be magically productive and consistent from this starting point is unrealistic.

Don Pacifico

Yeah, what goon said.

As an aside, whilst I understand the frustration with not sorting out our midfield, I think James' reference to 'building Rome in a day' are valid. No one thought we'd be in the position we are right now - having a serious title challenge is well ahead of schedule and we had not accounted for that in our squad building. The current squad would have been fine for top four but given how well we've done we're now assuming higher (great!) but clearly haven't laid the necessary groundwork to efficiently close the signing of a top-class (young) midfielder in time.

QuincyAbeyie

Don Pacifico people have thought we should really, really sign someone instead of Elneny long before we became title challengers. We had the same situation just this summer with three bids for Douglas Luiz on deadline day.

Qwiss

QuincyAbeyie The squad are all delighted, Edu told me so.

Don Pacifico

QuincyAbeyie I'm not disagreeing with that, I'm just saying that we can't land all our targets at once.

Qwiss

goon there isn't really any doomsday sentiment though is there? There are a lot of people disappointed with a transfer. The whole "you are insulting the man who made Arsenal a club again" rhetoric in response is whats OTT.

James

Qwiss there isn't really any doomsday sentiment though is there? There are a lot of people disappointed with a transfer. The whole "you are insulting the man who made Arsenal a club again" rhetoric in response is whats OTT.

Edu out is trending. People want the fans to boo the player. I’ve even seen our old friend @asajoseph attempting to get #artetaout going. That’s not OTT?

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