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Moises Caicedo - bid submitted

QuincyAbeyie

Therein lies the reason to care about transfer sums even if "it's not your money".

flobaba

We're getting dense Vaseline money for Partey. Good money for Xhaka, and offloading a bunch of hanger ons. We are in the champions league. We spent almost 200million last season, when we weren't in the CL. And 150mill the season before that. If we want Caicedo, we will get Caicedo.

#stillnotyourmoney

goon

flobaba

I'd love to be wrong, but I just can't see it. It's unprecedented at this club. I'm not concerned about Kroenke's money either, it's FFP that's the problem. The fact that we've spent liberally the last two years without CL football is all the more reason why it feels unlikely given that they use a 3 year window to make the assessment on allowable losses.

Unless we get more from sales than I'm expecting - I fully expect a budget Caicedo.

Qwiss

goon My guess is it will be someone like Lavia.

Don't think he's ready to walk into this Arsenal team and replace Partey. If we get Lavia I'd like to keep Partey for at least another season.

goon

Qwiss

We still have Jorginho and Rice will probably play there too, so we can ease him in. But yeah, it feels risky.

Mirth

Qwiss if this happens we need to get our midfield transfers sorted before pre season. We’re changing the foundation of our team and these guys need as much time on the training ground to get up to speed with how we play

Don Pacifico

goon this but I also believe there are limits to how much the Kroenkes will put in. They don't need a football club to cleanse their money/image in the same way other owners do (the loans they gave the club during COVID are debts with interest).

flobaba

Don Pacifico on the other hand, he’s tasted success as a team owner. That sort of thing is addictive. He’s recently won with his NFL team, with his NBA team, with his NHL franchise. I am 100% certain he’ll desire success with Arsenal, and sooner rather than later. Our team is ready now. I’m confident he will recognize that and invest as needed.

Mirth

Don Pacifico The loans they gave the club restructured the existing debt we had for the stadium at a much better interest rate and more reasonable covenants. We've matched Man City on spend since 2019 even though we didn't have CL football.

Don Pacifico

Mirth right but that investment wasn't 'free' money. I'm not saying they're bad guys but they're also not looking to pump endless money into the club.

My take on the spending to this point was that it was with the assumption of getting back into the CL by a certain point so that longer term we're able to generate more cash. My point is, they were calculated investments in our future but ultimately, I think they're trying to set the club up to be financially self-sustaining (which is not a bad thing).

Clrnc

Don Pacifico Who isn't though? Even City stop spending huge amounts. Chelsea for one rare period when they had a settled squad also didn't sign big players. Liverpool the closest example didn't have to sign much after VVD and Alisson.

When Kroenke need to spend he will spend.

Don Pacifico

Clrnc I agree with that. I'm disagreeing with the suggestion that (a) the money pot is infinite and (b) that we'll spend big sums every window.

Clrnc

Don Pacifico So far we have, and most are sums from the owners. Not self sustainable money so far. So we ain't that different from the others yet till we stop spending and be self sustainable

Don Pacifico

'Yet' being the operative word whilst we're still climbing our way out of the hole that has consumed us for near a decade (and made worse by COVID).

goon

Got the spreadsheet out.

If we sell Partey, Balogun, Tierney and Xhaka, then that should hopefully bring in approximately 100m - a big bulk of which should be profit too which is important for FFP.

Rice, Havertz and Timber would represent a £180m outlay... reckon that least just about enough room for another big one?

Clrnc

goon we are not in danger of FFP at all according to Swiss Rambles. Not worried. If we want to spend we can

Doc

goon

Been net spending roughly 150m a year in last 2 years... we should be able to at very least match it.

Also that 100m is pretty conservative.

Caicedo incoming after we nab Havertz.

Clrnc

Doc we are in for Lavia. Caicedo chase is absolutely dead

goon

Clrnc

You've banged the drum for both, who would you take, Caicedo for 100m or Lavia for 40m?

Clrnc

goon Not as simple as that innit. Obviously if we have unlimited funds that doesn't affect us buying Havertz, Timber, Rice I will take Caicedo. But if buying Caicedo means we can only buy Rice, I am taking Lavia for 40m. No brainer.

And they are also pretty different players. Caicedo is very versatile as things stand (or might just be a Brighton football style thing), he can play 6, 8, RB, CB to a high level. Have unlimited stamina, superb in ball winning. Basically Kante reborn.

Lavia is more flashy and b2b. Out of boredom I watched last few matches after they were relegated and Lavia played with more freedom, likes to dribble out of trouble rather than pass it short, likes to take a lot of risk in the box doing body feints rather than clearing it straight away. But he is very powerful for an 18 year old, doesnt lose much 50-50 challenges, just more inconsistent with his first touch and passing. The raw ingredients are all there and for 30-40m it's very reasonable.

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