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Welcome to north London, Jakub Kiwior

Big Willie

lorddulaarsenal considering the main issues people have with Gabriel are his supposed mistakes and his on the ball game, Kos had an unnerving ability to make the most random mistake quite regulary. And the less we say about his ability on the ball the better. Kos was probably the best defender we had since the Invincibles but I'm sorry, the pair we have now are on another level.

Meatwad

damn is some pass

https://www.youtube.com/live/LNME69yK9_g?feature=share&t=951

15:51

lorddulaarsenal

Guy’s gonna be silly good.

Coombs

lorddulaarsenal better than Holding, obviously, and shows great promise, especially physically, but has a long way to go.

Sicario2 - Tier 1

He changes dramatically the way we play v when Holding was playing. Firstly the players are not nervous wrecks anymore and can concentrate on their own games without carrying a liability and secondly we don’t play ten yards deeper to protect Holding.

Holding should never play for us again.

It’s beggars belief Arteta didn’t bring the Pole in earlier. I will go as far as saying it’s the biggest mistake of his season.

JK is still a bit raw but has fantastic attributes. Keen to see how he progresses. A really good cover for Gabriel and Saliba in CL next year too.

JazzG

We were 2-0 up at Anfield and West Ham, Holding wasn't the reason we dropped points in those games.

It is a cop out to just stick the blame on him, a lot of players were responsible. I do however agree with your point about Kiwor should have started ahead of him though.

Clrnc

JazzG Holding wasn't the reason we dropped points in those games.

I mentioned as much, since I watched both matches live.

But it's also undeniable the huge difference when Kiwior came in. He passed the test at St James with flying color which means he will fear little elsewhere in the league too. It might not be that Holding was at fault for any goals or even any poor defending, but the fact he can only clear it to row Z helps to give the opponent possession time and time again and we can't stem the tide. So after watching Kiwior I changed my mind, Holding has to go unfortunately.

RocktheCasbah

Judgement calls, aren't they? I think it's understandable that Arteta stuck with Holding as long as he did (he played very well against either Crystal Palace or Leeds - maybe both?) and I'm not sure that Kiwior coming in would have materially changed the City result, but he's had an undeniably positive effect on the team, which bodes well for such a young centre back, being able to play further up the pitch definitely helps!

I do also agree that Holding should have played his last game for us now he's very clearly one of the players we've evolved beyond, so 🤞 Gabi & Kiwior can stay fit for the games we have left.

JazzG

Clrnc Could be argued that Jorginho has made a massive difference as well. In the games against Liverpool and West Ham we were excellent for 25-30 minutes. It was just in moments we lost our composure.

And I agree, Holding's time is up here. I like the guy and think despite his limitations he's always given it his all for the club. You can see from the documentary he's always got a smile on his face and well liked. But he is 27 and I think he could do a job for a PL club.

goon

Said this before but he really does remind me of Mertesacker in the way he defends and I mean that as a compliment. It's all about timing, stepping out at the right time or sticking a foot in at the right time. The fact that he's quick and good on the ball is a big bonus.

Big Willie

goon Said this before but he really does remind me of Mertesacker in the way he defends and I mean that as a compliment. It's all about timing, stepping out at the right time or sticking a foot in at the right time. The fact that he's quick and good on the ball is a big bonus.

Was watching him the other day and noticed there were a couple of occasions when he was higher than the rest of the defensive line while we were defending leaving a gap with a forward on his shoulder that could have been slipped in.

It didn't happen but if someone like Fabregas was playing for Newcastle we'd have had a played played through that gap against us whilst being kept onside by the rest of the line.

I'll have to watch out a few more times to see if it was a feature of his game or just rustiness and being unfamiliar with the rest of the players at the back.

lorddulaarsenal

He’s so so good. Will be partnering Saliba come the end of the season.

The performance he put in away at Newcastle last season was one of the best displays I’ve seen from our defenders.

mohan

lorddulaarsenal there is no chance of that happening unless Gabriel is sold

Bring Back Kerrea Gilbert

lorddulaarsenal that pass at 1:06 🤤

Clrnc

In terms of our CB

Saliba > Gabriel > Tomiyasu > Kiwior

lorddulaarsenal

Superb talent. In my mind he’s the best partner for Saliba

HomeSteak

lorddulaarsenal we can tell lol

Burnwinter

lorddulaarsenal Dules, I've watched that video and there's not a single moment of exceptional quality in it?

Not one great line-breaking pass, not one decisive clearance under pressure, not one precise tackle, intercept or intervention. Nothing wrong with what's there but no one's writing home about it.

Is the idea that no one watches the video, and we just assume that because it's embedded in the post it evidences the assessment?

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