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Saka

Claudius

Clrnc there’s a massive massive difference in payment timing depending on the type of industry you’re in. Soccer is super unpredictable. Big considerations

Clrnc

Coombs you can't convince me that's down to choice and not monetary constraints. No chance we are chasing a player for 4 months and went from 40m to 100m and call that pulled back

Coombs

Clrnc you can't convince me that we didn't have the money if we really wanted to spend it. We decided to allocate elsewhere.

Sicario2

Mirth

Exactly. He does well v Bayern then I shut my mouth.

Claudius

Sicario2 hahaha. If he does well vs Bayern, you’ll just say he needs to step vs the semi final opponent.

Sicario2

Claudius

No I won’t. Will be man of my word. I’ll tell you what, I’ll allow him to have one average/bad game v Bayern but he has to be decisive in at least one of them. Deal?

Meatwad

Claudius
what you're trying to act like we didn't go higher than 60m? anything over 40m was overpaying and we more than doubled that. it's a good thing chelsea were dumber, but don't try to pretend like we were the smart ones.

Claudius

Meatwad never said we were smart. But we pulled out. Always know when to pull out.

Big Willie

Sicario2 No I won’t. Will be man of my word. I’ll tell you what, I’ll allow him to have one average/bad game v Bayern but he has to be decisive in at least one of them. Deal?

Will he then be world class? If so will he then have to prove it again in another "big game"?

Burnwinter

Claudius Shakhtar seemed partly to force a Chelsea move over Arsenal for reasons of politics and familiarity … if you recall, the Shakhtar oligarch fella was promising to convert a big chunk of Mudryk's fee to a donation to the war effort, or something similar.

I reckon the trajectory of the deal had a lot to do with the optics and intangibles as well as the timing, anyway. I have a hunch Abramovich being forced to sell off Chelsea would've been popular in Ukraine. Abramovich himself was doing everything possible to distance himself from the invasion at the time.

Burnwinter

Claudius Read this article.

Read all that at the time amigo.

Read my post. Then refresh your memory concerning the concept of overdetermination.

Burnwinter I reckon the trajectory of the deal had a lot to do with the optics and intangibles as well as the timing, anyway.

If an event has various interacting causes but only one that can be attested by journalists, only that cause is reported. You're well aware there's often more to things, which is all I'm speculating about.

Claudius

Read this article. Shakhtar say we offered the same amount as Chelsea overall. But Chelsea were willing to pay earlier and guarantee more of the money.

https://www.goal.com/en-za/news/explained-why-mudryk-joined-chelsea-over-arsenal-despite-offering-identical-gbp89m-transfer-fee/bltd34f3d4bfe52ecc4

Gazza M

feel like we need to have a little conversation about saka. imo his numbers are masking a bit of stagnation in his all round game. what always set him apart was his all round game - decision making, composure, workrate, defense, link up play. all aspects of his game a I feel have stalled or declined this season. I never really wanted him to become a typical English goal chasing winger, like rashford.

Sicario2

Gazza M

He’s not world class

awooga83

I agree, he's also got penalties which help up those numbers. He's clearly a player who contributes a lot to our play. But for the calibre of player I think and hope he is it isn't enough to just do one thing in the match. We are set up for him to be the main player but he hasn't been able to do that enough over this season and has too often been very quiet.

Qwiss

He's being asked to do it all because we have no one to play CF. Its not Sakas fault teams can double up on him every week. Same thing happens Martinelli now too. The solution is to have a threat in the middle.

Meatwad

Qwiss
but a real threat in the middle isn't going to put up with the defending arteta demands from his #9. no top team can carry passengers, but everyone being camped out in our half is an entirely different story.

RocktheCasbah

Think Saka looked a little tired today, but also the majority of the time we saw him in the second half, be was making defensive contributions covering back and making tackles.. He still nearly scored and put in 2 beautiful crosses which could have resulted in goals in the first half.

Wonder whether there's a little over emphasis on his defensive actions and it's taking away from his strengths in the final third. Also, as I said to my uncle, it's hard to create chances when you haven't got the ball. We didn't really have it in the second half.

Big Willie

RocktheCasbah even in the first half he was way back at right back when Villa were building out from the back. I found it strange then we he almost has to play as an auxilliary fullback rather than staying high, before realising he wouldn't be doing it if he wasn't instructed to do so.

Gurgen

Saka has to do two or three jobs in this squad. He’s really the least of our problems. Get a proper forward in there and watch him explode.

Tam

Big Willie there was a point he was very deep and pinned back by someone (Digne?) being high up, then someone moved across to their lb area and Saka looked to move up and was either given a shout or realised he couldn’t go.

Claudius

I feel like Saka is having a good season. Outside Odegaard, he’s usually the one who we look to to spark our offense. He’s constantly taking double teams and taking the game to opponents. Was very involved in the first half when we looked good.
For comparison, he’s on 31 G/A (5 pen)for the year versus 32 for Foden in pretty much the same minutes. Foden shoots more, Saka carries more and defends more.

awooga83

Claudius has Foden taken any pens? I think my worry would be in our team I would presume he's supposed to be our elite forward,I don't think there is anyone else who I think would be instead. So if that's what we are building so he is our Salah or whatever in time we need more from him, he needs to be more of a threat and it would be better if he could be a counter option. We don't do that at all really and you need that in your armoury I think.

It's not critical if he's plateaued a bit, but much of our attack is driven to him and the right and I don't think we've been seeing enough from it. Maybe this thing with him managing an injury is also causing problems.

Claudius

Claudius I feel like Saka is having a good season. Outside Odegaard, he’s usually the one who we look to to spark our offense. He’s constantly taking double teams and taking the game to opponents. Was very involved in the first half when we looked good.
For comparison, he’s on 31 G/A (5 pen)for the year versus 32 for Foden in pretty much the same minutes. Foden shoots more, Saka carries more and defends more.

Combination of things. Seeing Saka in person, how much easier the game is for him than the players around him, and then looking at these numbers made me realise this chap doesn’t get half the respect he deserves. He’s basically matching Palmer, Salah and Foden on offense; while still putting a defensive shift. The kid is special and I wish he got more recognition. He’s much better than Foden and Palmer.

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