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Saka

Claudius

Clrnc I think we had to pull back because Mudryk is not a £100m buy. At the earlier prices of £40-60m, definitely interesting. But once that price went stratospheric, not a good use of funds. But he is coming along nicely

Clrnc

Claudius We didn't pull back though. We literally bidded 100m for him but Shakthar chose to sell to Chelsea as they had a higher value up front.

Meatwad

Claudius
what you're trying to act like we didn't go higher than 60m? anything over 40m was overpaying and we more than doubled that. it's a good thing chelsea were dumber, but don't try to pretend like we were the smart ones.

Panda

Claudius Agree 100%, after missing out on Mudryk and Neto, think we will finally get the winger this summer.

I personally would be happy with Jesus/Havertz/Trossard as our 9 options for another season if we signed a winger to rotate with Martinelli and Saka.

(Plus a DLP and ahem Musiala ahem).

Claudius

Clrnc that’s pulling back. Time value of money. I have to work with clients on deal structuring and timing of payments is a massive issue due to the value of a dollar today versus a dollar tomorrow. Given how unpredictable everything is in football (will you be in champs league or not, will players pan out or not), the value of a dollar tomorrow is worth significantly less than a dollar today. So as a buying club, you are reluctant to pay up front if you can. So that timing of payments in a football context could easily be worth double figures to the seller.

Clrnc

Claudius What? If Chelsea didn't last minute match our offer and that 100m bid of ours got accepted by Shakthar how would we have pulled back?

Burnwinter

Claudius Shakhtar seemed partly to force a Chelsea move over Arsenal for reasons of politics and familiarity … if you recall, the Shakhtar oligarch fella was promising to convert a big chunk of Mudryk's fee to a donation to the war effort, or something similar.

I reckon the trajectory of the deal had a lot to do with the optics and intangibles as well as the timing, anyway. I have a hunch Abramovich being forced to sell off Chelsea would've been popular in Ukraine. Abramovich himself was doing everything possible to distance himself from the invasion at the time.

Coombs

Clrnc we could've offered exactly the same deal that Chelsea did and he would've chosen us. We didn't. Our choice, we pulled back.

Claudius

Clrnc there’s a massive massive difference in payment timing depending on the type of industry you’re in. Soccer is super unpredictable. Big considerations

Mirth

Sicario2 probably fair. It’s possible that Saka is carrying an injury and has been over-utilised but at the same time we need him (or frankly anyone in our front three) to carry the same level of threat that a Salah or Vinicius does and he’s not quite there. But - hey - the QF against Bayern is another opportunity to show what he can do because he does have the talent

Sicario2

Mirth

Exactly. He does well v Bayern then I shut my mouth.

Clrnc

Coombs you can't convince me that's down to choice and not monetary constraints. No chance we are chasing a player for 4 months and went from 40m to 100m and call that pulled back

Coombs

Clrnc you can't convince me that we didn't have the money if we really wanted to spend it. We decided to allocate elsewhere.

Claudius

Sicario2 hahaha. If he does well vs Bayern, you’ll just say he needs to step vs the semi final opponent.

Sicario2

Claudius

No I won’t. Will be man of my word. I’ll tell you what, I’ll allow him to have one average/bad game v Bayern but he has to be decisive in at least one of them. Deal?

Claudius

Meatwad never said we were smart. But we pulled out. Always know when to pull out.

Big Willie

Sicario2 No I won’t. Will be man of my word. I’ll tell you what, I’ll allow him to have one average/bad game v Bayern but he has to be decisive in at least one of them. Deal?

Will he then be world class? If so will he then have to prove it again in another "big game"?

Burnwinter

Claudius Read this article.

Read all that at the time amigo.

Read my post. Then refresh your memory concerning the concept of overdetermination.

Burnwinter I reckon the trajectory of the deal had a lot to do with the optics and intangibles as well as the timing, anyway.

If an event has various interacting causes but only one that can be attested by journalists, only that cause is reported. You're well aware there's often more to things, which is all I'm speculating about.

Claudius

Read this article. Shakhtar say we offered the same amount as Chelsea overall. But Chelsea were willing to pay earlier and guarantee more of the money.

https://www.goal.com/en-za/news/explained-why-mudryk-joined-chelsea-over-arsenal-despite-offering-identical-gbp89m-transfer-fee/bltd34f3d4bfe52ecc4

Gazza M

feel like we need to have a little conversation about saka. imo his numbers are masking a bit of stagnation in his all round game. what always set him apart was his all round game - decision making, composure, workrate, defense, link up play. all aspects of his game a I feel have stalled or declined this season. I never really wanted him to become a typical English goal chasing winger, like rashford.

Sicario2

Gazza M

He’s not world class

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