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goon

Roberto Martinez is a bigger fraud than Bernie Madoff.

There's a completely different focus for international football. You don't have the time to have a detailed tactical plan, so you need tactical flexibility and simplicity combined with great man management.

Anchelotti would probably make a very good international manager.

Don Pacifico

goon Roberto Martinez is a bigger fraud than Bernie Madoff.

A million times this.

invisibleman18

daredevil He’s the best club manager.

This the guy who couldn't win the Bundesliga with Bayern Munich and Kane up front isn't it?

daredevil

Clrnc

I'm not saying Tuchel that won't be a good International manager. I'm challenging your claim that England will start winning World Cup's and Euro's with him.

Mirth

daredevil In the past few tournaments, England have come within a game or two of winning the trophy. It's not unreasonable to believe that a better manager than Southgate could do more - particularly if said manager performs better in cup competitions anyway.

daredevil

Mirth

Depends entirely on what you think of Southgate's reign. In terms of outcomes, his team produced the joint-second best ever finish in a World Cup and twice best ever finish in a Euro's. That's not as easy to achieve as people seem to deludedly think. That's only been bettered once in 22 World Cup's, and not once in 17 Euro's. But let's keep peddling the narrative that anyone half competent would do a better job that his critics are doing.

Mirth

daredevil Tuchel isn't half competent. He's a well regarded coach and he is a better manager than Southgate.

If England appointed Howe or Carsley then you might have a point but it's a pretty reasonable expectation to believe that a CL winning coach can achieve success with this England squad. And saying this doesn't insult the achievements of Southgate either.

QuincyAbeyie

As opposed to the narrative that looking at England's placements in the tournaments and ignoring everything else is the only way to assess whether Southgate is a good manager. It suggests that watching games is actually irrelevant because you can just look up at Wikipedia who the good managers are.

daredevil

QuincyAbeyie

That's a lot of assumptions on your part. No-one said it's irrelevant, but everything else is far less significant than tournament placements.

Clrnc

Apparently Tuchel signed the contract on 8th and Carsley already knew, which is why he subsequently said he was not interested in the job after he was overlooked.

Also interesting that Lineker said England did not approach any English manager and their top choice was Ancelotti.

daredevil

Mirth

Let's see that happens. Although, we've been here before with Sven and Capello.

Mirth

daredevil agree, but I reject the comparison with Capello and Sven because the only thing they all have in common is that they are 'foreign'.

daredevil

Mirth

I was drawing a comparison to Sven and Capello because they too were credible managers who had won league titles, not because they were foreign.

Clrnc

daredevil You didn't add any context though and simply looked at the end results again.

Capello had to deal with one of the worst generation of English footballers.

Sven only got knocked out by very good teams and was genuinely unlucky (twice through PK shootout and once against one of the greatest Brazilian teams)

RowJimmy

My opinion is that, given the relative quality and balance of the England squad (with respect to France and Spain in particular), Southgate was an exceptionally successful national team manager, and if Tuchel can better the results - ie win a Euro or world cup - he will have pulled off a near miracle.

daredevil

Clrnc

I didn't say Sven and Capello did poorly. Sven was a good manager for England. Capello didn't get much buy-in from the players but his win record was one of the highest. I was pointing out that having a credible club manager isn't going to suddenly lead to trophies like you think.

Clrnc

daredevil Put it this way, England chances of winning a trophy can only be higher with a more capable manager in charge of them.

JazzG

I see the Daily Mail are taking this news well.....

Qwiss

I think Tuchel will do worse than Southgate in terms of tournament finishes and end being absolutely murdered by the British tabloids.

Clrnc

Interesting friendly match going on now. Henry is in the attacking team

Basically 11 defenders vs 11 attackers to see who will win. Henry playing as LB

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