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Joao Felix

Burnwinter

I don't think an option to buy that cheap is going to happen. I've also read some weird auto-translated reports saying Atleti are asking for a mandatory buy clause—must be incorrect, as that'd be an awful deal for us.

Pepe LeFrits

Burnwinter Atleti are asking for a mandatory buy clause

I don't get these deals - how do they differ from just buying the player outright? How is he 'on loan' if a transfer is agreed and you're paying his wages?

Clrnc

I think 70m mandatory clause to buy would be good and acceptable, Atleti wants to sell for over 100m.

Anything above that would only be optional

Burnwinter

Clrnc Can you shed any light on how that sort of deal would be structured, could Arsenal walk away from a mandatory buy clause contingent on performances, injuries, etc?

Seems a bit unlikely … too easy to game. So really you're just lining up to buy Félix for £85m over the next year or two (depending on payment structure). Negates any benefit of taking him on loan?

lorddulaarsenal

What you thinking Burnsy? Dry loan? Wet loan? Moist loan?

Oppo? Obbo? No-o?

Burnwinter

lorddulaarsenal Dry league trophy and a wet Pep Guardiola Dules!

Clrnc

Pepe LeFrits to get around FFP so that the cost is lower per year since you are holding on to the player longer.

Atleti asking for 9m loan fee plus 70m mandatory to buy. If we could negotiate that to make them include the loan fee as the 70m fee I would say take it.

Otherwise, negotiate a higher fee like 80m but optional.

JazzG

Pepe LeFrits I think it can be down to FFP or help with cash flow issues. Am guessing if we qualify for the CL and we have a clause his fees will be offset by increased CL revenue.

Have also heard of mandatory clauses be triggered for example by CL qualification or certain number of games played.

Claudius

Pepe LeFrits

Hey Pep. You do it for a few reasons.

1) FFP - the buying team is at risk of flouting FFP this season if it disburses the amounts consistent with an outright purchase. The loan with obligation defers purchases to a future season. For Arsenal, we would align costs with the extra £60m or so we get from Champions League. Also helpful while we finish our purge and the costs associated with players like Pépé etc to not bear additional costs. Mbappe to PSG was good example of this when it happened

2) Risk sharing - the buy obligation often only becomes active if the player appears in a certain number or percentage of games. This is a get out for the buying club in case they get a dud. Kulusevski has this.

QuincyAbeyie

Clrnc I'm pretty sure it doesn't work that way if it's a mandatory buyout clause. I seem to remember that's why PSG made their Mbappe deal mandatory "unless PSG were relegated that season", making it technically not a mandatory deal.

Doc

I'd definitely be up for that. He is world class... No difference from buying him outright if it's a mandatory clause, for a player of his quality, he is worth it.

Doc

QuincyAbeyie

😆 that's dumb AF. Just shows how much of a mockery ffp is

Guess they could put something like it in as well like Mandatory unless Arsenal don't win the league.

Clrnc

QuincyAbeyie Claude explained it better than me. Amortisation

Qwiss

Twitter saying he's offered to United for 9m for the loan 70m in the summer. That's a decent price. The only stumbling block for me would be his wages maybe.

goon

Had a stinker against Barcelona apparently with terrible body language. Getting a lot of flack from fans and media alike.

United have used up 1 of their 2 loan slots already on Butland and are seemingly keen on Weghorst from Burnley.

Signs are looking quite good for us to swoop in.

QuincyAbeyie

Now Chelsea wants this guy as well

lorddulaarsenal

Transfer whore

JazzG

Sounds like Chelsea are offering the full loan amount and covering all his wages. No option to buy either.

Sounds like a shit deal for a shit club, not surprised they're desperate. Not sure it is the right move for a player who is already low on confidence.

JazzG

goon

The joker pics the worst and most unstable of the 3 clubs at a critical point of his career. Let them have him.

QuincyAbeyie

goon you should've stuck with your initial opinion on this signing, now you just look like a flip flopper again.

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