Big Willie there are plenty of top Italian players who was superb in PL. Aquilaini, Emi Viviano, Scamacca, Diamanti, Nocerino, Boriello etc

      Clrnc there are plenty of top Italian players who was superb in PL. Aquilaini, Emi Viviano, Scamacca, Diamanti, Nocerino, Boriello etc

      I think you're kind of proving my point there @Clrnc.

      • Viviano? That keeper we got back in the day that never played a single game for us?
      • Aquilaini was a really good player but didn't he hardly play for Liverpool and ended up being sent on loan a bunch of times because he couldn't adapt?
      • Don't even remember Nocerino playing in the PL tbh.
      • Boriello was an FM legend back in the day, not sure he reached the peaks he was expected to tbh, but regardless a good player in Italy. Don't remember him in the PL though mind you. Didn't even know he came over.
      • Diamanti, I don't even know who that is.
      • Scamacca is a recent one so I remember him well but he was only at West Ham for a season and was thoroughly disappointing, hardly scoring at all.

      I guess what I'm saying is none of these guys were as good in the PL as you seem to be suggesting, definitely not on the levels of the ones I mentioned if I can't even remember them being in the league, let alone setting league alight.

      Certainly not what I'd be thinking when I think of being superb in the league. For that you'd have to be at a playing at consitently good levels in the PL over a number of years. I can guarantee you none of these guys stayed more than a couple years though which kind of shows they either didn't adapt or didn't want to be here.

      Edit:

      Just checked these names out by the way.

      • Viviano only "played" for us in the PL before leaving the country and never returning.
      • Aquilaini had one season at Liverpool before he was loaned out for two years and then left.
      • Nocerino had one season at WHU in the PL, and only played 10 games before leaving.
      • Scamacca only played for WHU in the PL, making 16 appearances and scoring 3 goals.
      • Boriello also played only for WHU in the PL, making 2 appearances and and not signing permanently after his loan ended.
      • Diamanti had two spells in the PL, first with, you guessed it WHU and then with Watford. His first season he played 28 time in the PL. His second season, just 1. His loan at Watford consisted of just 3 appearances in the PL.

      Even Balotelli, who isn't on either your list or mind or my list, despite some great moments, wasn't someone who you though was superb throughout his time in the PL.

          lorddulaarsenal What’s happening with Wirtz? He’d be another who would be ace alongside Odegaard

          Would be great to get him. Sadly he isn't moving this season, and might already have his eyes set on Madrid/Bayern in 2025 according to links.

            Big Willie hahaha I was actually agreeing with you and taking the piss mate.

            Yeah for some reason Italian players never got to grips with the pace of England football. The only one I can think of in recent years that's half decent is Ogbonna but he's a defender which is a different profile altogether. So maybe Calafiori could work after all. Goalies and defenders don't really differ leagues to leagues.

            Anyway I do really like the player. Noticed him whenever I try to watch Motta's Bologna. Incredibly good on the ball

                QuincyAbeyie haha, the yes was meant to be Musiala. As in Calafiori no, Musiala yes, and Williams I'm ok with signing up, but he's not someone I desperately want.

                  If we had a chance at Wirtz or Musiala, I would be okay with spending our entire summer budget on one of them even if that meant ignoring other needs. If I had to choose between the two, I would love Wirtz more just because I think he is a superior passer and would fit like a glove next to Odegaard and Rice but it sounds like he already has been tapped up by Madrid for next summer (likely when Alonso goes there as well). Since they both are likely staying put this summer, I think we should try to target the next big thing and go in hard for Desire Doue. It's hard to project growth but he seems likely to be the next one to pop into that 100m+ range with a breakout season.

                  As the biggest Nico Williams supporter on these threads over the last year, I’m glad people are starting to see the light. If there’s a chance of getting him out of Bilbao, it has to be us. I just worry he won’t leave unless it’s to Barca since he seems to have a fixation there.

                    samthegooner also a big supporter of Nico Williams. My position is still the same - get a wide man who can go wide and narrow on the left, and also cut centrally. Such a dynamic player. And very affordable. It’s an IQ test for a DoF if he’s interested

                      Nico Williams is more developed than I thought. Extremely dynamic and ridiculous speed of turn and power. Must get

                        Also exactly what we need in terms of how he played against a low block yesterday. That's really what did it for me. We all knew the speed and control, but he's not just a counter-attacking threat. He is what I hoped (and still do to some extent) Martinelli would become. Would also free up Saka on the other side.

                        We probably won't get Nico because of his wage demands. Marty should be taking notes how to improve his game from Nico cos they are so damned similar in profile, right down to the tendency to do everything but get the goal/assist.

                        I get the concerns over the wage demands and I agree with them to an extent but if you can get a player like him in, you do it. I think the bigger issue is that I am not sure he wants to leave Bilbao - he's been pretty outspoken about that recently and does not sound like he's got one foot out the door at all. Of course that could just be him being nice to his boyhood club that has treated his family very well but I do think it's going to be tough to get him out of La Liga. The more he tears up the Euros, the easier the conversation is internally over him becoming a top 3-4 wage earner at Arsenal though.

                        What I absolutely love about him is his ability on both feet. He's very ambipedal and having players who are able to strike through the ball on either foot on both wings with him and Saka would make our attack very unpredictable and dynamic. He's definitely not as technical as Saka (but few are) but he's got far more pace and can break away from defenders more easily due to that. I really hope we can get him - he'd be perfect.

                          He's on £170k a week. Not exactly on massive money but I am guessing he'd want at least £200k. Not exactly out of budget and if he is coming with a lower transfer fee that could be made up with a signing on bonus or something.

                          He's really good mates with Yamal and I think he wants to join Barca at some point so it comes down that. Bilbao will want that whole release clause paid in one payment which will make it trickier for some clubs. I think they're very firm on that.

                          Clrnc Nico Williams is more developed than I thought. Extremely dynamic and ridiculous speed of turn and power. Must get

                          Agreed, only seen clips of him before.

                              If you're looking to see what he can do, check out the Copa del Rey matches he played in towards the end of the tourney. He was easily the best player on the field throughout and just tore defenders to shreds in transition and in settled play. His burst from a standstill is incredible - very similar to Neto.

                              samthegooner I get the concerns over the wage demands and I agree with them to an extent but if you can get a player like him in, you do it.

                              He's not Mbappe. He's a good player but he's not quite there and if you bring him in on huge money the expectation if he actually realises the potential will be for a big wage increase. You have to be smart with these deals. He's looked pretty good at the Euros but he's not tearing up La Liga yet so doesn't warrant breaking the bank for. TBH he's probably right to stay where he is for another year. A massive move to the PL would be a lot of pressure.