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Squad Management 2022/23

Clrnc

Tam Yeah. Correct me if I'm wrong but it's actually more common for clubs to suspend the player who is under an investigation than let him play till the results are out.

QuincyAbeyie

A manager doesn't even need a reason to stop playing someone. Pretending like our hands are tied here is extremely convenient.

goon

Convenient is probably a good way to describe how clubs and fans deal with these things. Decisions are based on PR, money and personal desires and ‘right and wrong’ comes some way down the line.

I myself compartmentalised it so I could keep on enjoying the season.

People who speak up against their own interests are quite rare, people who act upon it are even rarer, so fair play to Klaus imo.

Claudius

True. But Klaus was also over Mikel. He thought he played the worst football he’d ever seen. So there was a lot happening there. Felt like the Partey affair was the straw that broke the camel’s back

Clrnc

Claudius don't think that's a factor. Arteta is Klaus fav midfielder previously, often sang praises for him. I really don't think even his biggest fan as a manager here look back at 2020, 2021 and can claim we play any attractive football at all so Klaus is right. And even then he's always here.

Partey is completely different.

Burnwinter

Claudius I had an email exchange with Klaus a few months ago, he said he was enjoying his time away from football. He'd stopped taking much pleasure from the sport and Arsenal, and the Partey affair was a part of that. Can't blame him. At the time he was focused on other stuff that sounded cool and having a great time with it.

Partey's investigation has been a serious matter, if you say otherwise you're either unworldly or prefer ignorance.

Claudius

Clrnc hmmm. By the end of the season before last the platform was clear and I was comfortable with where the team was headed. I think there was a core diffference that folks like Kalus had which was that Arteta needs to be able to succeed with whatever players he has at his disposal, which I was opposed to. I believe in strong football strategy - player profile alignment. So I was comfortable with the initial efforts two seasons ago, but knew we had to change the back line as a start, and then upgrade other areas of the field like goalie etc to support the vision. And this difference I think made people judge Arteta quite differently - either as a failure or someone who needed time.

Bring Back Kerrea Gilbert

Super off topic, but where's Anzac at?

Daz

Bring Back Kerrea Gilbert never seemed to come across to the new forum

Ricky1985

Well put, Claudius. Time has proven that Klaus (and plenty of others) completely misjudged Arteta, and the type of football he was rebuilding the squad to try to play.

Anyway, that debate has been well and truly settled. I'm sure Klausie loves what we do on the pitch now - how could he not? I hope he comes back soon!

lorddulaarsenal

Arteta was being practical.

Love him. Coldest can in the fridge.

At our peak last season we played the best football in the league. Sign of things to come

Claudius

lorddulaarsenal says a lot that after playing such incredible football, he is willing to risk that by selling Xhaka and Partey who were both fantastic before the World Cup. But the e focus is on building a team that can dominate for years, not opportunism. So far removed from the age of Gazidis.

lorddulaarsenal

Wenger picking an eleven from our current squad

———————-Ramsdale
Tomiyasu—-Saliba—Kiwior—Zinchenko
————————Jorginho
-Saka—Odegaard—-Havertz—-Trossard
————————Jesus

Doc

lorddulaarsenal

Was actually thinking about this recently for some reason... I know u don't rate him, but ESR is a Wenger wet dream kind of player. Swap him for Trossard.

lorddulaarsenal

Doc yeah can see that

Bring Back Kerrea Gilbert

I remember we pretty much lined up like that away at Leicester the season before they won the league.

4-1-4-1 with creative mid overload.

Qwiss

Claudius get the feeling he's going to adapt tactically again too. Last season looked nothing like the horseshoe of misery years before it.

Bernard Woolley

Not sure what to expect honestly...especially with the new Dutch defender coming in at that crazy 40M+ price. I just hope we are not sacrificing the defensive stability that underpinned last year's performances (looks like it with incomings like Timber, Havertz). Time will tell.

Qwiss

Bernard Woolley I worry too but the reality is City scored more and conceded less than we did this season. We need to improve at both ends. I suspect Arteta thinks keeping the ball is key to that.

Clrnc

Bernard Woolley 40m+ is crazy price? I would say its very reasonable. A talent like him normally costs 50m+ or more as evident from similar defenders past few years. White in a non-inflation window already costs 55m.

It's perfect timing that he had a bad season and we are getting him on a cheaper deal.

If Havertz perform well 65m would be a good deal too.

flobaba

Qwiss not keeping the ball. Recovery in transition. We had no problems with ball possession for the most part. It was when we had to defend and we didn't have numbers back, or players who excel in one v one defensive situations that we struggled.

Raicedo is my wet dream.

flobaba

Clrnc good deal is a relative term these days. I think it's insane the prices that are seen as acceptable. Figo was a world record at 62million Euros 20 years ago, and he was top 5 players in world football at the time. That gets you a Madison, a Pepe or some other half scrub these days. I think we are going to see a 200million player transfer in the next decade. When will this craziness stop? It's unsustainable.

RowJimmy

flobaba
Other than the Saliba injury, what hurt us most down the stretch was simply running out of gas, which showed up in our press. So yes, our defending and not our attack was the issue - simple numbers show this - but defense from the front as much as in the rear.

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