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Hello Zinchenko

Gunner89

Another day, another error

How many times has he cost us now?

I'll say it as it is - At the time, he was the right signing but he should be sold in the summer (for a tidy profit) and we need to upgrade

flobaba

Once Timber is back he'll be dropped for sure.

And once Tomi is back same with Benny Blanco.

Our defence is mega if everyone is fit and firing. Investing there would be a waste, that's the truth.

Upfront is where the bulk of our problems lie. Hopefully bagman has a plan.

Bring Back Kerrea Gilbert

flobaba White was pretty good I thought. Seems to be playing more freely (over his injury) and looks physically top again.

Tam

flobaba Then White will quickly regain his place when Tomiyasu breaks down again. As good as Tomiyasu is, there's a clear downgrade in terms of support and chemistry with Saka when he plays.

It's a good selection of players on paper but big question marks over ability to sustain fitness and form.

Qwiss

Bring Back Kerrea Gilbert I thought offensively he was really good with the ball. Same old problems in defence, thats the trade off. Probably more positive than negative yesterday over all.

awooga83

Qwiss I think he slows us down to much when he gets on the ball. Not a good defender but also not good enough to be a full midfielder. I just think we need something more then what he offers for the most part.

HomeSteak

Once Tomyiasu is back he is out of the first 11. When Timber is back healthy...it's really over. He is and always will be a liability on the defensive end.

Clrnc

Tam . As good as Tomiyasu is, there's a clear downgrade in terms of support and chemistry with Saka when he plays

Not this year. They combined very well this season in many instances

Lukazan

What was his problem at the end there when speaking with Arteta?

Bloke seems very highly strung emotionally.. could see us going deep in the CL and him having an absolute game-costing meltdown.

Gazza M

Lukazan zinchenko and white got into an argument at full time. allegedly white said something about zinnys role in the goal we conceded, which set zinchenko off. artera was telling him to pack it in basically

awooga83

Lukazan that's been a flaw in him forever. That Southampton game after messing up he's calling a huddle to get people to come together and shake them up after he made the error.

Tam

Clrnc Your sample size is about half a dozen games. In a season where Saka has been notably below the performance levels we'd expect of him for large spells. Not sure you've a strong basis for your argument.

flobaba

Tam I think White's offensive contributions are overrated personally. For someone who allegedly has such good chemistry with Saka/ is a threat offensively, where are the assist stats?

But even more importantly, I think Arteta values defensive solidity in his defenders more than he does offensive output.

All that said, you're probably right about the availability aspect. In that regard there is no real comparison / competition.

Qwiss

awooga83 I think without him yesterday we struggle to get he ball forward. He was stepping in and doing the Partey/Jorginho work. He's a bit slower at it than Partey but he's still better in games like this when Partey or Joringho aren't there. This was very much a "Zinchenko game". I'd be happy to sell in the summer though.

Meatwad

he's such a specialized player that i'm struggling to see which rich club he has value to.

Coombs

I'd rather have White than Tomiyasu in my squad, for a number of reasons. And I love Tomi. White is a mentality monster. The fact that he's getting fed up with Zinchenko's idiocy is a good thing in my book. In great teams that win things, big players have to have big personalities, and hold each other to account.

Claudius

Coombs yup. White is great. Arteta also loves him. Trusted him through an injury. I don’t think White gets the appreciation for the number of roles he has to play within a game. He can fill in at centre back or overlap on the wing. He’s covering the most ground vertically of any player, but not just a traditional flying fullback like Tierney. He’s also inverting. Just a special special player. Needs better hair though

QuincyAbeyie

White is fine. Not as good as Tomi (and certainly not the best RB in the league like he's been hailed as at times), but he's available. Certainly wouldn't look to upgrade on him when we have much more glaring issues.

Bring Back Kerrea Gilbert

White is better at pass selection when going forward than Tomiyasu, who I think plays it safe quite often.

HomeSteak

flobaba Who are you comparing White with? With Zinchenko ? or the league in general?
If you are doing it with Zinchenko, then they are about the same this season. White has 1 goal and 1 assist while Zinchenko has 1 goal and 2 assists.
But something has changed with White, who almost never moves forward anymore, I don't know if it's the injury or tactics...but last season White was attacking more, and you could see it in the stats where he had 2 goals and 5 assists(ZInchenko had 1 goal and 2 assists).

In fact, White had the 4th most assists in the league when it comes to defenders, and 2 of the people in front of him are Robertson(8) and Trent(9), who don't really play like full-backs. So you are very wrong, White's offensive contributions are not overrated, he is in fact one of the best in the league at it. Or was, last season.

White has better end product then Tomyiasu as well, that goes without mention, even if Tomyiasu seems very capable in the attacking end, but is just not capable of playing football.

Claudius

HomeSteak 100%. I was looking through fullback data. There isn’t a full back who dominates across all aspects of the game (scoring/creating, passing, defending). Robertson is really strong on the first two, Walker and White are good at the second, etc. There isn’t some unicorn all rounder who kills the stats across the board.

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