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Hello Zinchenko

Doc

Tierney isn't that pleasing on the eye but he is really effective at what he does and is a dam good defender. Far from 'done' as first choice.. Injuries have really stalled his development in the team. If he can stay fit (which is a massive concern right now), he still has a big role to play. Up to Arteta to use their different styles at the right time.

Gazza M

Tierney has never been a great defender. he has tenacity and pace, but he's always been a bit sus positionally and in 1 on 1 situations. I'd rate him and zinchenko about equal purely from a defensive standpoint

Ricky1985

I'm amazed by how many posters there are on here with that view. For my money, Tierney's defensive excellence is what separates him from pretty much every other top fullback in the league.

I think he's always switched on, positionally excellent and very hard to beat one-v-one.

Clrnc

Same, Tierney is a bit rigid and can be beaten by fleet footed wingers because he can commit too easily but he is miles better than Zinchenko defensively.

Pepe LeFrits

Pretty sure Tierney statistically comes in pretty close to top of the pile for PL defenders in 1v1 situations

lorddulaarsenal

For me he struggles when he comes up against physical wingers like Michail Antonio (when he played out there) and Bowen. There’s no real significant difference on the defensive front between him and Zinchenko. He’s certainly not at the level Sagna and Monreal were on that front.

Tierney’s main asset is that burst he has which enables him to send in crosses

Gazza M

Ricky1985 wrote:
I'm amazed by how many posters there are on here with that view. For my money, Tierney's defensive excellence is what separates him from pretty much every other top fullback in the league.

I think he's always switched on, positionally excellent and very hard to beat one-v-one.

[font=Source Sans Pro]peak Tierney when he's fully unencumbered, maybe. [font=Source Sans Pro]his time at arsenal has been either encumbered or sidelined. [/font]even then I don't think I rate him that high defensively. his pace and aggression/tenacity are the main source of his defensive edge. those qualities take a hit when he's in a constant cycle of coming back from injuries, playing through injuries, or playing within himself from fear of injury[/font]

Klaus

Tierney was horrible defensively last season, which surprised me too because one of his key strengths for me was in the defence. Then again I used to think the same thing about Bellerin when he broke through. Maybe their defensive nous was based on their ability to get back very quickly, and maybe it's been lost due to injuries. Bellers certainly looks like a non-league player nowadays without his pace.

Qwiss

Ricky1985 wrote:
I'm amazed by how many posters there are on here with that view. For my money, Tierney's defensive excellence is what separates him from pretty much every other top fullback in the league.

I think he's always switched on, positionally excellent and very hard to beat one-v-one.

Fullbacks always get it eventually. If Tomiyasu had been fitter and played more he'd have got it too. Eventually some one skins you, its part and parcel of playing there but people then put too much weight on that for our own. Tierneys a quality defender and when he's not trying to baby sit some useless fuck like David Luiz, Mustafi, etc he looks even better.

Ricky1985

Tomiyasu did get it - Cucurella took him to pieces down in Brighton early on last season and Jota killed him at the Emirates - albeit he wasn't at all fit in the latter.

I get exactly what you're saying though. And I'd argue we have two of the very best fullacks in the league from a defensive viewpoint.

Rohit

I think most opinions on Tierney are based on his performances last season and not his ability per se. He just never found any rhythm because of constant issues. He is a quality defender. If anything I always found Zinchenko to be the weakest link in City's backline. His technical ability is supreme though. If only we had such competition at right back. However, With Saliba starting, it's unlikely we will see much of Cedric in the League, even if Tommy is unavailable.

goon

I think Tierney is just above average defensively personally, i.e. neither amazing or poor and I've always thought so. He definitely struggles against tricky wingers, usually because he over commits. He's also not the most proactive, i.e. you don't see many interceptions from him the way you did with Nacho for example. Positionally he's pretty good and he's good decent pace so he's comfortable enough against most PL wide players.

Qwiss

I think he's a much better defender than Nacho was. Think Zinchenko is actually a lot like Monreal.

jones

Monreal was much better defensively, was a bit slower but more solid positionally and way better in the air.

Tierney is done anyway, expecting 5-10 starts max all season. Not only is he constantly injured, he's become mostly useless when he's actually fit. Zinchenko will make that LB position his.

JazzG

Monreal was solid defensively, he showed that when he played CB for us a few times as well. Tierney looked a lot better defensively when he started for us but last season saw him get done far too easily.

Ricky1985

jones wrote:
Monreal was much better defensively, was a bit slower but more solid positionally and way better in the air.

Tierney is done anyway, expecting 5-10 starts max all season. Not only is he constantly injured, he's become mostly useless when he's actually fit. Zinchenko will make that LB position his.

I thought you were bummed about the Zinchenko signing because you believed he was a midfielder not left back? Now you like the signing? I can't keep up.

I wouldn't write Tierney off so easily. He's the sort of guy that will run through brick walls in training to get his place back, and when he's fully fit he's an absolutely fantastic left back in all aspects of play.

jones

Ricky1985 wrote:
jones wrote:
Monreal was much better defensively, was a bit slower but more solid positionally and way better in the air.

Tierney is done anyway, expecting 5-10 starts max all season. Not only is he constantly injured, he's become mostly useless when he's actually fit. Zinchenko will make that LB position his.

I thought you were bummed about the Zinchenko signing because you believed he was a midfielder not left back? Now you like the signing? I can't keep up.

Clearly because I don't recall saying that, and I actually didn't say I like (or hate for that matter) the signing in this post either 😆 I just said Zinchenko will start because Tierney is either injured or recovering from injury looking like shit. Had a lot of time for Tierney early on but he's not reliable and I would've rather replaced him than Tavares.

Zinchenko is very good on the ball for a full back, naturally as a trained midfielder. he has clear deficiencies in athleticism and defending and I would've preferred others but we've signed him already so might as well get behind him.

flobaba

Ricky1985 wrote:
jones wrote:
Monreal was much better defensively, was a bit slower but more solid positionally and way better in the air.

Tierney is done anyway, expecting 5-10 starts max all season. Not only is he constantly injured, he's become mostly useless when he's actually fit. Zinchenko will make that LB position his.

I wouldn't write Tierney off so easily. He's the sort of guy that will run through brick walls in training to get his place back, and when he's fully fit he's an absolutely fantastic left back in all aspects of play.

It’s weird the way people see him as done now. He was consensus future Captain material at one time. I don’t think he’s been truly fit and rested for a while. Let’s see what he looks like when he returns this time. Lots of opportunities to evaluate better with the 5 subs rule and all the comps we will be playing in.

Ricky1985

jones wrote:
Ricky1985 wrote:
I thought you were bummed about the Zinchenko signing because you believed he was a midfielder not left back? Now you like the signing? I can't keep up.

Clearly because I don't recall saying that, and I actually didn't say I like (or hate for that matter) the signing in this post either 😆 I just said Zinchenko will start because Tierney is either injured or recovering from injury looking like shit. Had a lot of time for Tierney early on but he's not reliable and I would've rather replaced him than Tavares.

Zinchenko is very good on the ball for a full back, naturally as a trained midfielder. he has clear deficiencies in athleticism and defending and I would've preferred others but we've signed him already so might as well get behind him.

Trained midfielder or not, he's an experienced, decorated PL left back just coming into his prime. I thought it was strange how you moaned about the signing given he has spent years playing the exact role under Guardiola that we want him to play here.

I guess the difference in view comes down to the fact that you believe Tierney is a spent force. I see it as the Scotsman will be like a caged animal unleashed in trying to reclaim his place, and that we now have two fantastic fullbacks, experienced yet still young, and with very different skillsets and styles.

Ricky1985

flobaba wrote:
Ricky1985 wrote:
I wouldn't write Tierney off so easily. He's the sort of guy that will run through brick walls in training to get his place back, and when he's fully fit he's an absolutely fantastic left back in all aspects of play.

It’s weird the way people see him as done now. He was consensus future Captain material at one time. I don’t think he’s been truly fit and rested for a while. Let’s see what he looks like when he returns this time. Lots of opportunities to evaluate better with the 5 subs rule and all the comps we will be playing in.

I hear ya, mate. Tierney strikes me as the kind of player that'd play through niggles to help the team - in fact, we heard that said by Arteta when he was having a particularly hard time halfway through last season. So, I agree he hasn't been himself, but folks are forgetting how extremely good he has been for most of his Arsenal career.

He's just turned 25, will be steaming at Zinchenko being talked about as THE left back, and will have had a summer's rest - write him off at your peril.

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