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Hello Zinchenko

Clrnc

Monreal was excellent defensively, especially in his first few seasons. I remember him starting his first game against Stoke and winning everything in the air. Was very strong in 1v1 too.

If Zinchenko is anything like his level of intelligence in defence we will be laughing our way to the bank

jones

Ricky1985 wrote:
jones wrote:
Clearly because I don't recall saying that, and I actually didn't say I like (or hate for that matter) the signing in this post either 😆 I just said Zinchenko will start because Tierney is either injured or recovering from injury looking like shit. Had a lot of time for Tierney early on but he's not reliable and I would've rather replaced him than Tavares.

Zinchenko is very good on the ball for a full back, naturally as a trained midfielder. he has clear deficiencies in athleticism and defending and I would've preferred others but we've signed him already so might as well get behind him.

Trained midfielder or not, he's an experienced, decorated PL left back just coming into his prime. I thought it was strange how you moaned about the signing given he has spent years playing the exact role under Guardiola that we want him to play here.

I guess the difference in view comes down to the fact that you believe Tierney is a spent force. I see it as the Scotsman will be like a caged animal unleashed in trying to reclaim his place, and that we now have two fantastic fullbacks, experienced yet still young, and with very different skillsets and styles.

I said Zinchenko doesn't move the needle for me and I wanted someone more dynamic and better defensively - basically the Tierney we signed and hoped for - how's that "moaning"?

Tierney in his fit spells has looked a shell of his former self. I'm happy enough that we have Zinchenko there now as even with his flaws he's better in the position, and I'm reasonably happy/calm about LB - RB is 100% a bigger worry, Tomiyasu is reaching Tierney levels of unreliability and for me since day one has been a centre half playing wide. Don't think we need to lose too many words about Cedric.

Ricky1985

I saw you in some thread moaning that the club hadn't addressed the left back position. Which seemed crazy to me given the two options we now have there.

At right back, I reckon you're discounting White as an option. I know you have your ideas about how you want us to play - the fullbacks providing width on both sides - but it's clear that is not what Arteta intends. He's looking for techncial security and strong ability in duels imo, the ability to get on the overlap is secondary - the width comes from the wide players being postionally discplined and staying wide. And Tomiyasu and White fit nicely into the right back role I'm describing. Guardiola has a similar imbalance in the fullbacks at City, and actually now it comes up, White has reminded me in pre-season of how Kyle Walker plays right back for them.*

*Not half as quick obviously, but he's still got very decent pace, especially for a guy that's 6'2, so this nonsense Clarence periodically trots out where he equates White's pace with Rob Holding's needs to stop! 😆

Anzac

TBH I wonder if we'll see something of a role reversal between White and Tomi, with White used more regualrly as an inverted RB to allow him to have more influence and passing from a midfield position higher up the pitch, rather than as a CB in the last line. That switch pass to Jesus out wide for the opening goal v Sevilla was IMO every bit as good as Zinchenko's to Saka v CFC. I'm not sure if we've seen that same passing ability from Tomi in that role.

Ricky1985

Tomiyasu's two-footedness opens up lots of angles and so he progresses the ball well, but White is an extremely good passer - he plays the ball through midfield lines and switches play with the diagonal like it'a nothing.

Qwiss

I really like our left back options. I think both Tomi and White are good for the sort of defender Arteta wants there but I still think with fullbacks like that who aren't really a force going forward like TAA, Cancelo, etc that we need to shift the team balance more to attack elsewhere to make up for that. I really don't see a team with inverted full backs and a midfield of Partey and Xhaka not getting stuck for creativity in a lot of games.

Clrnc

Ricky1985 wrote:
*Not half as quick obviously, but he's still got very decent pace, especially for a guy that's 6'2, so this nonsense Clarence periodically trots out where he equates White's pace with Rob Holding's needs to stop! 😆

I can't remember, but I said White is not as quick as I thought in one of the match where he was constantly beaten by an opposing player that wasn't fast at all. White doesn't have great acceleration.

Then I think the West Ham match I said I don't notice any quality drop off when Holding came in for White. He played very well.

Similarly I also thought White played well the 2 times he played RB for us, I very much prefer him there than CB because he is not that exposed for us there.

Don't think I ever said Holding is quicker than White etc?

Ricky1985

Clrnc wrote:
Ricky1985 wrote:
*Not half as quick obviously, but he's still got very decent pace, especially for a guy that's 6'2, so this nonsense Clarence periodically trots out where he equates White's pace with Rob Holding's needs to stop! 😆

I can't remember, but I said White is not as quick as I thought in one of the match where he was constantly beaten by an opposing player that wasn't fast at all. White doesn't have great acceleration.

Then I think the West Ham match I said I don't notice any quality drop off when Holding came in for White. He played very well.

Similarly I also thought White played well the 2 times he played RB for us, I very much prefer him there than CB because he is not that exposed for us there.

Don't think I ever said Holding is quicker than White etc?

I'm only joking with you mate, it's no big deal!

I've definitely seen you talk about Holding' and White's speed as if it's similar though. White can really shift when he gets going, I agree he's not the fastest off the mark though. Holdinho is just slow full stop. There's no comparison between the two.

Glad you like what you're seeing of White at RB too.

Gazza M

like it 😆

Ricky1985

😆

Nice!

Doc

Nice.

Had massive alarm bells ringing in my head watching him defend. Don't expect him to be Sagna but hopefully he improves as an option there with game time. Quality on the ball though

Pepe LeFrits

Tierney looked very much on it when he came on

Sicario

Pepe LeFrits wrote:
Tierney looked very much on it when he came on

Finally he has proper competition for his spot.

Thought Zinky was bright first 45 min and showed good intent going forward. Got done a few times defensively second half. Overall. 6.5/10 performance but think he will be a very good squad player so I’m happy.

Qwiss

I thought he good. Glad we have 2 proper left backs we can rotate.

Ricky1985

Pepe LeFrits wrote:
Tierney looked very much on it when he came on

Bang on it. The boy does not like being benched.

Bring Back Kerrea Gilbert

Yep, if this gives us a better (and somehow, fitter?) KT I'm fucking down for it.

KingslandBarge

It was sort of a relief to hear Arteta confess last week that both the fullbacks were rushed last season due to no depth. He didn't talk or focus on anything about Tierney's body being innately brittle or dogged by a particular issue that cannot be resolved. In my logic he would be a big part of any serious challenging this year.

Zinchenko had his hands a little full with Ayew didn't he? He took some fun positions straddling that left hand side but quiet tucked in. May be at his best we have someone like TAA on the left. However up to now, I have been expecting better delivery from Zinchenko.

HomeSteak

Yeah Arteta talked about rushing them back like it was not him that did that. Tomyiasu got injured in that league cup game vs Liverpool where he really did not have to play. I think we even had Chambers at that time. So he could have played Cedric, Chambers, hell even White there....

Clrnc

He was injured even before that. He played through injury.

Meatwad

and that's worse.

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