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Man-God Gabriel

KingslandBarge

His passing was sharp, incisive overall good I thought. Great that he takes some leadership there

flobaba

He was gutted when he made his mistake. Absolutely gutted. I felt so bad for him in the moment, where I would typically or previously have felt nothing but irritation and disdain. I wanted us to win, not just for us, but for him as well, to help pick him up. And not only did we do that, he got to redeem himself instantly. Arteta mentioned that his self image has improved, which tells me he is or was fighting some demons when it comes to his confidence in himself as a player. This game would have gone a long way to furthering that renewed and improved mindset. He might not be the most elegant of defenders, but he’s a fighter. Fights for himself, fights for his “brothers”. Fights for his team. I like fighters. We need fighters.

Ricky1985

Yup, he's a bit rash and a bit silly at times, but so were some of the CBs that were big parts of great teams - Vincent Kompany is a good example or Pépé at Real Madrid. I see Gabriel as similar in personality and talent to those two, and I reckon he'll be some player when he reaches his peak and has knocked the rough edges off.

Anzac

Ricky1985 wrote:
Yup, he's a bit rash and a bit silly at times, but so were some of the CBs that were big parts of great teams - Vincent Kompany is a good example or Pépé at Real Madrid. I see Gabriel as similar in personality and talent to those two, and I reckon he'll be some player when he reaches his peak and has knocked the rough edges off.

Juve seem to like him - don't think any other club has put in a transfer bid on anyone else as yet.

lorddulaarsenal

I recon Gabriel will be slowly phased out. It’s probably why we had a strong interest in Martinez.

Claudius

@lorddulaarsenal wrote:
I recon Gabriel will be slowly phased out. It’s probably why we had a strong interest in Martinez.

I think Martinez was going to play left back, same way as Zinchenko. Gabriel is a rock. Part of why we are one of the best set piece teams in both directions.

Gazza M

yesterday showed why I like him as a player. tough character, dusted himself off after his error and got on with it. I have concerns around his overall form this season though. he looks more awkward than prior seasons, not sure if it's because the players around him have improved and he sticks out more, but I don't remember him being this stiff on the ball. tomiyasu on the other hand looks so two footed and comfortable, I really want him back in the side asap, but not sure if he bumps gabriel or white from the lineup

Clrnc

Phasing Gabriel out will be like phasing Saka out. One of our most important players and first names on the team sheet.

His passing is very key to our game. It's opposite of Elneny, it's incisive and always through lines

Doc

He's a winner. Love his attitude.

Qwiss

Yeah you have to love a player who reacts like that to a mistake. Thats the sort of attitude and responsibility that pulled us through yesterday. Its worlds away from having the likes of David Luiz in the team who thinks an interview and saying sorry after is how you take responsibility.

goon

You don’t phase a player out because they’re sometimes a little slow to control a ball. We have one of the most physically imposing centre back pairings in the league and they’re both actually very good at the defending and distribution part too.

This nonsense about ‘well I’m a winner and I can see 2 or 3 areas that need to be improved to take us to the next level’ that is used to target the likes of Odegaard, Saka, Martinelli and Gabriel in search of perfection is idealism not grounded in reality.

deardevil

goon wrote:
You don’t phase a player out because they’re sometimes a little slow to control a ball. We have one of the most physically imposing centre back pairings in the league and they’re both actually very good at the defending and distribution part too.

This nonsense about ‘well I’m a winner and I can see 2 or 3 areas that need to be improved to take us to the next level’ that is used to target the likes of Odegaard, Saka, Martinelli and Gabriel in search of perfection is idealism not grounded in reality.

Idealism and the desire for perfection are exactly what lead to title-winning teams. I get it, it's been almost 20 years since we last won a title but it's exactly that striving for perfection that takes clubs over the hill to the promised land. It's signing Henry when you already have Ronaldinho and Eto'o in your team. It's signing Reyes when you have Henry, Bergkamp, and Pires. It's continually pushing the envelope to get that % more from the team and pushing your current players to reach the next level.

RocktheCasbah

Well spoken, sir.

(In response to goon's post)

Burnwinter

We didn't "phase out" Steve Bould when we brought Keown back to Arsenal in the 90s. The Fab Four was really five or six.

goon

deardevil wrote:
goon wrote:
You don’t phase a player out because they’re sometimes a little slow to control a ball. We have one of the most physically imposing centre back pairings in the league and they’re both actually very good at the defending and distribution part too.

This nonsense about ‘well I’m a winner and I can see 2 or 3 areas that need to be improved to take us to the next level’ that is used to target the likes of Odegaard, Saka, Martinelli and Gabriel in search of perfection is idealism not grounded in reality.

Idealism and the desire for perfection are exactly what lead to title-winning teams. I get it, it's been almost 20 years since we last won a title but it's exactly that striving for perfection that takes clubs over the hill to the promised land. It's signing Henry when you already have Ronaldinho and Eto'o in your team. It's signing Reyes when you have Henry, Bergkamp, and Pires. It's continually pushing the envelope to get that % more from the team and pushing your current players to reach the next level.

What lead to title winning invincible team is signing young/incomplete players and trusting and enabling them to take us to that next level even if they all had their own little flaws. The chances of you signing 'perfection' are about as close to zero as you can get. The chances of enabling the likes of Gabriel and Odegaard to go up to a level where they're among the highest performers in the league are much, much higher.

Of course you always look to improve and yes, sometimes giving them an environment to succeed means giving them more competition, but the idea that because Martinelli doesn't always make the right decision we need to go out and buy a Mane is fantasy.

Clrnc

Yep, well said. This pairing will be here to stay for at least the best part of the next decade (assuming we are competitive and they want to stay) and in the meantime we can still look for young CBs to complement them or loan them out in a few years time.

For now, we have Tomi, White and Holding all that can play CB too. Perfect group of defenders. Just need a proper RB and phase out Cedric.

Sicario

Has been found out this season.

Must improve or get dropped.

RocktheCasbah

I agree with the second part.

Claudius

I don't see too much alarming here. He had a howler last weekend, and then came back to score. And yesterday's goal had 3 or 4 players making errors. His is probably the most memorable

Contrast Gabriel's missed tackle on that goal with McTominey slamming Jesus down WWE style to prevent a break. That was definitely an orange card at best. But it killed the attack .

Gazza M

white to cb, tomi to right back. I like gabriel alot but he has looked out of sorts since the opening day. might just need to ride the pine for a spell

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