#deadline day 2021: Page 2 - The Arsenal discussion community: One More in the Tolly

#deadline day 2021

mdgoonah41

here is where things stand on my rage/depression index

10 (most rage) - the fact that our "rivals" continue to sell their trash for top dollar, while we let our young players with actual upside go on loans and run their contracts down, or worse, freeze them out without even finding suitable loans

7 (high rage) - arteta will be here forever

5 (major depression) - we are still counting on xhaka as a starter, because we havent moved for a CM. its inexcusable

3 (moderate depression) - rightback is still a complete mess

jones

Captain wrote:
Ray wrote:
Fucking hell, we’re penny pinching over Emerson, but spending lavishly on White and Ramsdale. Absolute frauds.

Truth is, not you or anyone else know how those deals will turn out, so they shouldn't be used as a rod to beat the club.

If you want to point to transfers that have fucked us, there are far more obvious examples like the much fancied and much vaunted signings of Partey, Gabriel, Saliba and even Tierney to an extent. These guys range from average to absolute busts so far.

Seems like you're contradicting yourself here, if you're not in a position to judge the deals for White and Ramsdale yet you can't do it for someone like Partey either yet after just a season.

Of course it's possible to make those judgments based on reputation, past performances, fee and percentage of overall transfer budget, otherwise what's the point of discussing any player until the end of their deals here. Ray is bang on about what most of us saw early on, our splashing of 80m has left us hamstrung elsewhere and now we're scrambling for solutions with a ridiculously imbalanced squad.

Captain

jones wrote:
Captain wrote:
Truth is, not you or anyone else know how those deals will turn out, so they shouldn't be used as a rod to beat the club.

If you want to point to transfers that have fucked us, there are far more obvious examples like the much fancied and much vaunted signings of Partey, Gabriel, Saliba and even Tierney to an extent. These guys range from average to absolute busts so far.

Seems like you're contradicting yourself here, if you're not in a position to judge the deals for White and Ramsdale yet you can't do it for someone like Partey either yet after just a season.

Of course it's possible to make those judgments based on reputation, past performances, fee and percentage of overall transfer budget, otherwise what's the point of discussing any player until the end of their deals here. Ray is bang on about what most of us saw early on, our splashing of 80m has left us hamstrung elsewhere and now we're scrambling for solutions with a ridiculously imbalanced squad.

We're hamstrung because we have too many players to register. It's the outgoings that are the issue. I don't agree with not signing your targets because somewhere down the line you 'may' be able to sign a different one; get in who the fuck you can right away. Some may see it different and that's okay.

I can solidly say that as thing stand, Partey, Gabriel etc. have been terrible to middling signings for Arsenal, based upon their perfomance for Arsenal. There is no contradiction there.

goon

Cryptic message from Bell:

Captain

When everyone is scrambling for their jobs, somebody has to lose.

Klaus

Edu to go first. Maybe they're going to hang him for something he did in Brazil. He seems to have been involved in a lot of dubious stuff.

QuincyAbeyie

Captain wrote:
Ray wrote:
Fucking hell, we’re penny pinching over Emerson, but spending lavishly on White and Ramsdale. Absolute frauds.

Truth is, not you or anyone else know how those deals will turn out, so they shouldn't be used as a rod to beat the club.

If you want to point to transfers that have fucked us, there are far more obvious examples like the much fancied and much vaunted signings of Partey, Gabriel, Saliba and even Tierney to an extent. These guys range from average to absolute busts so far.

The contradiction is that "not you or anyone else" know how the signings of Partey, Gabriel, Saliba and Tierney will turn out either, because their careers here aren't done. Sure you can judge on what they've done at Arsenal so far, but then you can also judge Ramsdale on what he's done before Arsenal. Not sure why Partey's injury riddled season under Arteta would be a better predictor for future performances than the entire rest of his career just because it happened at Arsenal.

mdgoonah41

edu going would be a great first step.

second step is the new guy actually being someone who knows what the fuck they are doing.

third set is binning arteta

goon

Klaus wrote:
Edu to go first. Maybe they're going to hang him for something he did in Brazil. He seems to have been involved in a lot of dubious stuff.

Edu has always struck me as being cut from the same cloth as Raul, except probs less effective. I’ve tried to be fair to him but our decision making this summer has been bonkers.

Clrnc

Willians message on IG all but confirmed he gave up all the money here to terminate his contract for free, and to give the media who accused him of being a mercenary a tight slap.

Klaus

😆

goon

😆

Clrnc

Camavinga to Real. 30m euros.

Hope he don't get a fair chance and then we sign him 2 years later.

ohboy

Klaus wrote:

😆

😆😆

mdgoonah41

Clrnc wrote:
Camavinga to Real. 30m euros.

Hope he don't get a fair chance and then we sign him 2 years later.

did he run down his contract or something? thought he was an elite talent

Qwiss

goon wrote:
Klaus wrote:
Edu to go first. Maybe they're going to hang him for something he did in Brazil. He seems to have been involved in a lot of dubious stuff.

Edu has always struck me as being cut from the same cloth as Raul, except probs less effective. I’ve tried to be fair to him but our decision making this summer has been bonkers.

Not to mention the world of Brazillian agents is full of dodgy dealings.

KingslandBarge

mdgoonah41 wrote:
did he run down his contract or something? thought he was an elite talent

One year left apparently. I thought he'd be one to watch in Jan tran but alas.

Would like to see the Mbappe transfer go over the line.

Klaus

Rumours in Italy that Juventus are looking to sell Kulusevski to sort out their finances. Jesus christ, get in on this.

Don Pacifico

goon wrote:
Klaus wrote:
Edu to go first. Maybe they're going to hang him for something he did in Brazil. He seems to have been involved in a lot of dubious stuff.

Edu has always struck me as being cut from the same cloth as Raul, except probs less effective. I’ve tried to be fair to him but our decision making this summer has been bonkers.

Hard not to disagree. Amidst the occasional success, there's a been a lot of average (at best) leadership from him. Really not sure what value he's adding to the club. For all Arteta's faults, it'd be nice to know that there's some kind of plan but feel like Edu's got nothing.

Wilson

Auba out, Origi in.

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