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Bundesliga 2021-22

Big Willie

Leverkusen about to lose their first game of the league season. 1-0 down to Hoffenheim who scored with their first shot on target. 2mins plus stoppage time to go. Wonder if they'll manage to pull something out of this game.

JazzG

Big Willie It's now 2-1 to Leverkusen 😉

Big Willie

JazzG It's now 2-1 to Leverkusen 😉

😂😂😂

Fucking hell, they really are relentless this season.

Clrnc

Crazy Leverkusen. Alonso midas touch with those subs

Anyway De Klassiker starting soon. Time to scout Bayern if they are any good

Clrnc

1-0 Dortmund after 10 minutes

Big Willie

Clrnc 1-0 Dortmund after 10 minutes

What a chance to make it 2-0. Big miss.

Clrnc

Bayern is so poor

Big Willie

flobaba

Yep. Very optimistic about our chances against them in the CL.

Clrnc

Dortmund scores again. 2-0.

Way deserving of the lead. They had so many chances today while Dortmund's keeper is just a spectator today

Clrnc

Only a complete idiot would play Dier over Kim Min Jae by the way

goon

Clrnc

Dier is a terrible defender. Tuchel signing and playing him tells me all I need to know about him as a coach.

daredevil

Clrnc

Kim has been a massive flop. Was all over the place for all three goals against Heidenheim.

banduan

goon Dier is a terrible defender. Tuchel signing and playing him tells me all I need to know about him as a coach.

Lil Kim probably served him the wrong temperature porridge one day and doomed his Bayern career under Tommy Tuckers.

USArsenal

I don't love this result. On one hand, it lowers the morale of the Bayern team, but on the other hand, the CL is the only thing they have left to play for now, so they will put all their focus on it.

Clrnc

USArsenal either way they ain't winning the league against this Bayer team

RocktheCasbah

USArsenal I kinda feel I'd rather be welcoming a struggling Bayern side to the Emirates. Yes, the fact the Bundesliga is gone means they can put all their eggs in one basket, but I think there is such a psychological aspect to the knock out phases of the Champions League, I'd rather we played a team where there is nothing to fear. And their results this season show exactly that.

daredevil

Since 2010, the number of teams that won the CL and failed to win their domestic title was equal to the number of teams who won the Double or better. Meaning that relatively weak domestic form doesn't necessarily translate into similar European form. It's quite amazing to think that the respective domestic forms of two European clubs against two different sets of opposition, tells you anything meaningful about each others prospects in a completely different competition and format. European competition wouldn't have been pioneered if you could make a reasonable judgment like Arsenal beat Liverpool and Dortmund beat Bayern, so Arsenal should beat Bayern.

RocktheCasbah

daredevil I'm not saying we will beat Bayern, I'm just saying that I feel a lot happier about our chances of competing with them than the last time we shared a pitch with them. I don't know if you can say we "played" them at any point in that 10-2 humiliation..

QuincyAbeyie

daredevil Since 2010, the number of teams that won the CL and failed to win their domestic title was equal to the number of teams who won the Double or better. Meaning that relatively weak domestic form doesn't necessarily translate into similar European form.

What if you use top 2 instead of winning the title? Teams that win the CL almost always do well domestically as well. Because they're good teams. Because being a good team helps both domestically and in Europe.

That half the teams that won the CL also won their domestic leagues shows a strong correlation between league form and CL form, not the opposite.

daredevil

QuincyAbeyie

You would have to look.

I didn't say there isn't a correlation, I'm arguing against there being a perfect linear association, which the current sentiment that Bayern being second in the Bundesliga and us being first in the PL means we should beat them, implies.

Clrnc

I don't understand people who would rather have Bayern flying in the league than languishing way off in 2nd.

USArsenal

Clrnc

Nah, my point was not that i would prefer them flying, but having them still feeling like they have something to play for in their league (even though the chances were slim) might see them play more of their key players in the league and tire them out more. That was my only reasoning.

Claudius

Champions league = strong teams playing a knockout contest. Typically the very best teams should win, but the knockout format introduces some fortune into the formula. Only reason City don’t have 2 or 3 of these things

daredevil

Claudius

There is no precedent that sets you up for 180 mins of knockout football. It's kind of like Test cricket vs 50 overs, they're practically and literally different games. City are good proof of that.

At this stage every team is a strong team. Bayern are absolutely a strong team and so are we. That's a given. I'm just promoting caution instead of hubris. I've seen this play out too many times.

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