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The David Moyes Games

Anzac

some hope
https://www.football365.com/news/man-utd-linked-ten-hag-would-suit-rival-ajax-coach-claims

Anzac

https://www.football365.com/news/feature-john-nicholson-everybody-loves-graham-potter-brighton
As a man, he doesn’t seem driven by the usual shallow ambitions of money and status. He seems more keen on developing a club than merely taking over a successful, expensive one and buying his way to the top. I sense that would hold little interest for him. That alone marks him out as different. Earlier this year he was asked if he’d like to have more money to spend on players.

“’More money, more problems” I think that’s the saying. I don’t look at anyone else and think I wish I was this or that. I understand my club, the club I’m at, and that I’m very fortunate to have what I do and try to make the most of what we have. It’s being thankful and appreciative of that. That’s what we do.’

FEBravo

This just makes so much sense there's probably no way we're pursuing it.

I remember being skeptical a few years back when I think Klaus and a few others were recommending him, but now I feel he has shown enough at Brighton, and we have a small window before another club swoops him.

Meatwad

mo money, mo problems.

Anzac

Why Erik Ten Hag's Ajax Are So Good

IMO one of the big mistakes made by both MU and us has been we have flip-flopped between different manager styles of play as well as 'simply' changing managers, which then has a dramatic effect upon expenditure and performances as well as time needed to 'recover'/rebuild. Whilst LFC also under went massive changes under Klopp he was able to show real progress and improvement in performance and capability within a short time frame.
Same applies with Guardiola at MC, but MC also started to pave the way ahead of his appointment both on and off the pitch with staff & players more suited to his style so as to enable a certain amount of continuity during the transition once Pep joined.

As much as anything this continuity is the reason I want ten Hag to replace Arteta so as to tap into this continuity option in regards to playing style. That said I do not want ten Hag alone, and I would look to bring in staff (DoF, coaches and scouts) and players who are familiar with the principles of positional play. To this extent I'd be looking to sign on staff and players even now to provide a club framework that extends beyond the current manager (and/or any subsequent replacement) IF we ARE making a genuine commitment to this style of play for the longer term than just this current project.

Anzac

Why We Were WRONG About Patrick Vieira! | Explained

Asterix

Just bumping this in light of Celtic walloping Rangers, especially in the first half - keep an eye on Ange everyone.

Anzac

Asterix wrote:
Just bumping this in light of Celtic walloping Rangers, especially in the first half - keep an eye on Ange everyone.

Said previously ten Hag is my #1 choice with Ange as 1st runner-up.

Anzac

IMO our issues begin with KSE and the lack of someone at the club at BoD/Exec level who understands sports management and football specifically.

Next issue has been the ham fisted recruitment strategy that lacked any plan and saw us with a Frankenstein squad that was not suited to work as both individual units and as a team.

3rd issue is the appointment of Arteta being a rookie manager trying to manage an even bigger job than AW had when he joined the club. Arteta is making rookie mistakes as he learns, and the players, the club and supporters pay the price.

4thly IMO Arteta is also very high maintenance in terms of his requirements in order to implement his positional based philosophy, and the club is paying a very high price on and off the pitch. This gives Arteta a dangerous amount of power and control at the club, as like AW he is the single voice of truth in regards to the philosophy. We're into the 3rd season and we are still yet to complete the purge, let alone the rebuild.

I look at the job Ange has done at Celtic and I am positive if we gave him the financial backing Arteta has had to now, we would be in a stronger position after less than a season, let alone going into the 3rd.

Anzac

Celtic v Rangers | SPFL 21/22 Match Highlights

CELTIC PARK | Amazing Atmosphere | Celtic vs Rangers (3-0)

Ange Postecoglou On The Match | Celtic 3-0 Rangers | Derby Delight for Celts!

IIRC there were protests following his appointment, now they are talking of his impact as being even better than when BR joined, both on and off the pitch because he has done more with less and the football and philosophy is better. If BR is considered to be a genuine alternative as manager for AFC then I can think of no greater compliment for Ange to get the nod ahead of him.

Anzac

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/60340402
Ruben Amorim: Sporting Lisbon boss making huge impact and drawing comparisons to Jose Mourinho

QuincyAbeyie

Not the best timing on that one right after he's said that he draws inspiration from Mourinho and is down 4-0 at half time.

goon

😆

Anzac

How Ange Postecoglou fixed Celtic

Clrnc

Good watch, thanks. His football is ridiculously attractive

Celtic this season after they gelled has only been outplayed by one team which limited them to almost no chance, which is rare for a Ange side. Bodo Glimt. So I am naturally interested in their manager given that they have inferior players.

They also thrashed Mourinho's Roma. Nobody does that.

Anzac

https://www.football365.com/news/arsenal-start-negotiations-tite-new-coach-arteta-contract-running-out

Makes no sense to me as I think the club will do everything they can to retain Arteta on a long term deal. That said if we did have to look at a potential replacement I'd still prefer Ange.

Anzac

Clrnc wrote:
Good watch, thanks. His football is ridiculously attractive

Celtic this season after they gelled has only been outplayed by one team which limited them to almost no chance, which is rare for a Ange side. Bodo Glimt. So I am naturally interested in their manager given that they have inferior players.

They also thrashed Mourinho's Roma. Nobody does that.

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Anzac

I'd still take Ange to replace Arteta even after Celtic's loss to Rangers in the Cup S/F.
Although I do wonder if the pundits would still call us 'soft' etc if PV4 was manager.

Tam

How much of that is just the Aussie in you speaking?

I think we'd be foolish to not go for a proven, quality manager next time around.

Anzac

Tam wrote:
How much of that is just the Aussie in you speaking?

I think we'd be foolish to not go for a proven, quality manager next time around.

Not proven at what though and in what way is he not quality?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ange_Postecoglou

He's a proven winner as a player, and as manager at club level in 3 different nations and at international level at the Asian equivalent of the Euros as well as going to the WC Finals. Whilst the standards in Asia are not the same they do include regular WC Finals participants.
His rebuild at Celtic is far more impressive than what we've seen to date from Arteta in results, style of play, and points gained.
His managerial CV in terms of experience and success is better than most of the current EPL managers, & the only thing he lacks is experience at the top table in UEFA football which has not stopped others being appointed the role at other big6 clubs in the recent past (Pochettino, OGS & BR).
IMO the job he's done at Celtic proves he can manage at a big club.

It should also be noted that he has managed clubs in both AUS and JPN that are part of the City Football Group and is reportedly highly regarded from his time with them.

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