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The David Moyes Games

Anzac

Qwiss! wrote:
David Moyes? He's gona get WHU finishing ahead of us again.

No thanks - I want vibrant attacking football.

Gazza M

seeing arteta described as moyesian is a disservice to moyes. he flopped at man u, but his everton and West ham team played decent effective football. not aesthetic by any means, but it's not like his teams play like stoke. arteta should've followed his career path before taking a big job

mentalvortex

100%. I would be intrigued by what next career move someone like Lampard makes.

Does he swallow his pride and try to start over at a mid size club or hold out until another big job becomes available?

Bryant

mentalvortex wrote:
100%. I would be intrigued by what next career move someone like Lampard makes.

Does he swallow his pride and try to start over at a mid size club or hold out until another big job becomes available?

sounds like he's waiting for the job here to open up then 😆

I like pellegrino materazzo if we're talking coaching candidates.

Gazza M

imagine fat frank or stevie me in charge of the arsenal

Anzac

Bryant wrote:
mentalvortex wrote:
100%. I would be intrigued by what next career move someone like Lampard makes.

Does he swallow his pride and try to start over at a mid size club or hold out until another big job becomes available?

sounds like he's waiting for the job here to open up then 😆

I like pellegrino materazzo if we're talking coaching candidates.

Again my concern is the same as for Amorin, in that he has spent his entire professional career inside German football and his current role is his first as head coach/manager.

Bryant

Anzac wrote:
Bryant wrote:
sounds like he's waiting for the job here to open up then 😆

I like pellegrino materazzo if we're talking coaching candidates.

Again my concern is the same as for Amorin, in that he has spent his entire professional career inside German football and his current role is his first as head coach/manager.

He's American though, so he speaks English, unlike Emery. I did want Nagelsmann when he was Hoffenheim, who also has 0 experience outside Germany. Many people would've taken him to replace Emery and to replace Arteta now, but that boat has passed as he's at Bayern.

I feel it's similar with Klopp and Tuchel, there's only a certain window in which they would consider coaching a team like us. It might end up the same way with Potter if we don't act decisively enough.

jones

Yeah Materazzo is a good shout. Thought he's German-born Italian for the longest time until recently when I heard he's born and raised in the US, that would certainly help with the transition. Mislintat who spotted and raised him as head coach said they'd fight tooth and nail to keep him but if we were to seriously pursue him he'd jump at the chance no question. He's also a youth coach at heart so he'd definitely be an asset with the introduction of academy kids.

Qwiss

Gazza M wrote:
seeing arteta described as moyesian is a disservice to moyes. he flopped at man u, but his everton and West ham team played decent effective football. not aesthetic by any means, but it's not like his teams play like stoke. arteta should've followed his career path before taking a big job

Yeah I don't want him but he's a decent PL manager, United job was a poisoned chalice but he's clawed his way back pretty well. We should be looking for better and I just can't handle looking at Moyes face every week but he'd more or less guarantee us getting back into the Europa. I just don't think he's equipped to do more than that.

Don Pacifico

Maybe Arsenal are a poisoned chalice now in the same way the United were (are?)...

Clrnc

Arteta is here for 2 years. Moyes literally only had 8 months

Qwiss

Don Pacifico wrote:
Maybe Arsenal are a poisoned chalice now in the same way the United were (are?)...

I don't think so. Moyes took over from Fergie who went only because he retired. United were still on top, had just won the league, etc There was always going to be a bit of a malaise there and high expectations. On the other hand Emery came in and did better than Wengers last season, it was a good opportunity for most managers. Same was true when Emery went, there was a great opportunity there for a good manager. We haven't progressed since that point though.

Right now it'd be hard for a new manager to do worse. Its a great opportunity for anyone who'd take the job. You get a talented squad who've been in a funk. Even just doing an ok job would look like success in the short term.

Don Pacifico

Any new manager at the mo still suffers under Wenger's looming shadow. We're not far enough away yet.

I'd also argue that United's squad was in a terrible state when SAF left (think most acknowledge it was a miracle he won the league with them) and I'd agree the same is true with our squad (which only got worse under Emery with Lichesteiner, Sokratis et al.).

For me, that's the epitome of a poisoned chalice. Whether you think Arteta is good enough or not is a separate discussion

Qwiss

Taking Uniteds over performing team from the biggest legend the club has ever had is a poisoned chalice. Taking an underperforming Arsenal squad is the opposite.

Clrnc

Arne Slot is one to watch. Very impressive start at Feyenoord after doing some miraculous stuffs at AZ

Lets see if he can get the best out of Nelson

Anzac

As much as I'd love to see Ange, Potter has to be the front runner atm, and more so with LCFC below us on the table.

Klaus

Qwiss! wrote:
Don Pacifico wrote:
Maybe Arsenal are a poisoned chalice now in the same way the United were (are?)...

I don't think so. Moyes took over from Fergie who went only because he retired. United were still on top, had just won the league, etc There was always going to be a bit of a malaise there and high expectations.

Yeah, most of their board including their DOF left at the same time as Ferguson too, and they had a squad that had the highest age average in the league I think. Just lots of old and used up players that symbolised how Ferguson had failed to reinvigorate the squad. All that was ignored because he had just gotten one last unexpected great season out of his aging squad. Even if he had stayed it would have been a bad follow-up season for United I reckon.

Moyes is obviously not as good as Ferguson, lacked experience to deal with a club and players on that level, and played a bit shit football from an entertainment POV to boot so he got the fans against him fairly early. I don't really think he would have succeeded there regardless, but you could see the struggle coming from a mile away. At Arsenal no one had any expectations to deal with after Emery and Raul almost tanked the club by contrast, and we've still managed to disappoint, the FA cup aside.

Captain

Moyes main mistake was probably that he went in sacked off a good number of well respected coaches who were replaced with much lesser characters.

BWooley

Anzac wrote:
As much as I'd love to see Ange, Potter has to be the front runner atm, and more so with LCFC below us on the table.

The table is irrelevant at this nascent stage, but I do agree that Potter would be a good idea, especially given his experience in the league now. I must admit to having a soft spot for Marco Rose, but his abysmal second half of last season with BMG gives me pause.

jones

Rose's team collapsed after his move to Dortmund was announced midseason. It happens to most teams, just last season with Rose and Hütter, couple years before that with Kovac, Nagelsmann when he left Hoffenheim for Leipzig etc.

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