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Arsenal join the Cowards League

jones

Honestly for the rest of football this might not be the worst thing to happen. The clubs in the ESL are mostly leeches anyway, if UEFA/FIFA could introduce a transfer ban for players somehow it would make the remaining competitions a lot more exciting.

Qwiss

They wont be able to enforce a transfer ban. We've seen the governing bodies have very little legal power over that.

Captain

Sicario wrote:
Captain wrote:
The prem will still be on every weekend for us to moan about. 😆

You dont have shares in the ESL by any chance?

I wish.

jones

Qwiss! wrote:
They wont be able to enforce a transfer ban. We've seen the governing bodies have very little legal power over that.

That's why I said a kind of transfer ban. If they prohibit ESL players from participating in the World Cup that'd be a pretty effective ban and no EU or anyone else could do anything about it.

Qwiss

jones wrote:
Qwiss! wrote:
They wont be able to enforce a transfer ban. We've seen the governing bodies have very little legal power over that.

That's why I said a kind of transfer ban. If they prohibit ESL players from participating in the World Cup that'd be a pretty effective ban and no EU or anyone else could do anything about it.

Well I'm not sure. Wouldn't the EU have power over the federations of teams within the EU?

I can't see FIFA punishing the players directly anyway. They have zero moral high ground with the way they are run. Plus people were already talking about boycotting the Qatar world cup, imagine without any of the stars.

jones

It's not about moral high ground it's about FIFA and UEFA watching themselves become obsolete. There's literally zero chance they'll let that happen without trying everything in their power, and while the associations are horribly run and morally bankrupt an ESL would be even worse. They don't even pretend to keep up a facade of merit. Anyone saying this is more of the same is ignoring the magnitudes of difference in letting those in power create their own playground.

Also I'd rather Blatter bribing Carribean countries to buy votes than watching Wednesday Wonderful Super Soccer brought to you by JPMorgan and Cheesecream Texaco. Fuck if I'm staying awake until 3am to watch our fifth drubbing this month at the hands of Barcelona or Juve

Claudius

I don’t think folks appreciate how much power the Super League clubs have. When these teams say they have half the Brazilian and French national teams on their books, do you think FIFA will just stop those players from attending the World Cup? And that dynamic will compel these Super League teams to be even more aggressive in acquiring the best players in the world at mind-boggling fees.

Ray

Yeah exactly who's going to watch a world cup with b rate players when the best ones are playing in a shiny super league. It would be like watching championship and league 1 games to boycott the PL. Sounds good until you actually have to sit through it.

FEBravo

Qwiss! wrote:
Has Arsene Wenger made a statement yet?

I'd love to hear his thoughts. I hope his role with FIFA won't prevent him from openly sharing them.

Ray

Just look at 3 of the current semi finalists, City, PSG and Chelsea all bought their way into this position with the blessing of UEFA.

How many of the other PL sides would have joined if they were invited?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/56800351

KurtEisner

And now City and Chelsea will never have to worry about FFP or their owners getting bored again, because they're guaranteed revenue from the ESL.

Football was in a sorry state before this, and of course FIFA and UEFA are led by the same type of greedy assholes and they sold football long ago. But there is still a difference between this and 12 clubs deciding to just split off into their own league, where they are guaranteed revenue and cannot be fucking relegated. These clubs will have infinitely more money than anyone else in a few years, domestic leagues will end up meaning fuck all and anyone who wants to join the club will have to do so by buying themselves a spot. Oh and you'll have to negotiate your deal with the owners of the other clubs playing in the league. It's ridiculous. As corrupt as UEFA is, at least it's a somewhat independent institution, this would put all the power in the hands of a select few clubs who just so happened to be the most profitable enterprises at this point in time.

And as infuriating as Chelsea, PSG and City are, they did still have to actually perform well on the pitch to get a chance at winning the CL and establishing themselves as the kind of clubs who get invited into this shitshow. That's all moot now for 15 clubs. No need to actually perform on the pitch, we could in theory get relegated from the PL and still earn more than any other non-ESL club in the PL.

To top it all off, they have the gall to advertise it as "saving football" and giving the fans what they want. Fuck right off with that bullshit. I'm sure playing Barca 5 times a year will be real exciting. We'll have at least 4 fucking NLDs a season too, way to make those games feel special.

jones

Claudius wrote:
I don’t think folks appreciate how much power the Super League clubs have. When these teams say they have half the Brazilian and French national teams on their books, do you think FIFA will just stop those players from attending the World Cup? And that dynamic will compel these Super League teams to be even more aggressive in acquiring the best players in the world at mind-boggling fees.

Why would FIFA back off? They have nothing to lose, if clubs and players break away from their respective FAs what's to say they will cooperate with the global body? These clubs might be powerful but unless they can convince the rest of the world to renounce FIFA UEFA etc. as well they will struggle to go through with their plans. Plus they're missing Bundesliga, Ligue 1, most of Spain Italy etc it's hardly like the ECA announced a war on Platini and Infantino.

Anyway I said I was hoping FIFA would do it but they actually said in January already that players participating in the ESL would be banned from all FIFA organised tournaments.

Mirth

Qwiss! wrote:
Has Arsene Wenger made a statement yet?

ohboy

Ray wrote:
Just look at 3 of the current semi finalists, City, PSG and Chelsea all bought their way into this position with the blessing of UEFA.

How many of the other PL sides would have joined if they were invited?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/56800351

To be honest, this is part of the reason of where we are.

The fact is, UEFA, Premier League etc had the power to stop direct monetary injections at levels never seem before, and they failed.

Now in a post COVID-19 world (still ongoing but football is back), teams revenue hard taken a ridiculous hit. Most top clubs will have huge losses, but the likes of City, PSG, and Chelsea can just keep on doing what they do.

Why should the other top teams allow themselves to continue to be vulnerable? The smaller teams are not saints either. Ridiculous valuations of players, which bear no resemblance to actual value has helped create this market along with the oil clubs.

Player valuations should be in a scale in line with their wages. You can’t pay a player £50,000 a week, and then say he is worth £100 mil. Yet in the same league where big clubs know they could get more for TV rights, they are forced to share with the same smaller clubs, who then put up silly valuations and act like they are hard done by, when in reality the bigger clubs already share revenue with them.

There is a lot to change, and I don’t think UEFA and the league governing bodies have the stomach for them.

mdgoonah41

the other thing is, you cannot punish the players for decisions made at the corporate level.

how could you go to a player who just signed a 5 year contract in the summer and tell him he is banned from his national team because the owners of his club sold out and joined this super league? how is that fair, when the player is contracted to the club and had no say in whether to join this league?

Meatwad

Sicario wrote:
Captain wrote:
The prem will still be on every weekend for us to moan about. 😆

You dont have shares in the ESL by any chance?

I have JPM shares.

Meatwad

Mirth wrote:
Qwiss! wrote:
Has Arsene Wenger made a statement yet?

cause he works for FIFA now, but when he was arsenal manager ...

goon

Apparently Arteta and the players had no idea until the announcement.

Apparently Stan can't understand the fuss and thinks once it's in place fans will thank them for this wonderful idea 😆

jelbana

goon wrote:
Apparently Arteta and the players had no idea until the announcement.

Apparently Stan can't understand the fuss and thinks once it's in place fans will thank them for this wonderful idea 😆

Mirth

Meatwad wrote:
Mirth wrote:

cause he works for FIFA now, but when he was arsenal manager ...

Bit tennous linking an interview from 1998 and saying the Super League proposal as it stands today (i.e. with no promotion and relegation) is what him and Ferguson wanted. I don't doubt clubs have wanted an elite league with more money since I began following football but this wasn't the shape proposed back then

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