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Has Arteta Truly Turned it Around?

flobaba

In judging Arteta as related to the youth development, who still thinks he screwed up on Saliba? I honestly don’t. Even Gabriel as good as he has been, is still very raw and can be rash.

Don’t think Saliba was ready yet, despite his recent comments in the press. I don’t think Arteta does that sort of thing out of spite or just so he can give David Luiz a chance to play free kicks into row Z.

I think he’s dealt with the rest of them as expected. Everyone here knows exactly how I felt (feel) about the quality or (lack thereof), of AMN, Nelson, Nketiah and Willock. Water always finds its level. These cats were never good enough to be getting minutes at Arsenal regularly. Glad they’re out or on their way.

Anzac

flobaba wrote:
In judging Arteta as related to the youth development, who still thinks he screwed up on Saliba? I honestly don’t. Even Gabriel as good as he has been, is still very raw and can be rash.

Don’t think Saliba was ready yet, despite his recent comments in the press. I don’t think Arteta does that sort of thing out of spite or just so he can give David Luiz a chance to play free kicks into row Z.

I think he’s dealt with the rest of them as expected. Everyone here knows exactly how I felt (feel) about the quality or (lack thereof), of AMN, Nelson, Nketiah and Willock. Water always finds its level. These cats were never good enough to be getting minutes at Arsenal regularly. Glad they’re out or on their way.

Didn't Saliba also basically admit that he was not as fit as he could/should have been when the players came back,
which was in part what lead to Arteta saying he was not ready?

Bosscielny

flobaba wrote:
Loving the avatar, Bosscielny.

Apt for the positions you take.

Figured I may as well dress the part.

tazmania

I'm still on the fence about arteta, leaning towards the side that thinks he's not actually good enough to lead us to former glory. I don't mean that the players are good enough either btw. I think they're poor too and we barely have 5 players (give or take) that are worthy of starting regularly for us. My bar is set high for Arsenal FC, we're not Burnley or Bolton here...

I'm part of the crew who think he got lucky in some ways. With forced player selections (ESR, Holding), patience of the board, covid excuses and more. I don't have much confidence in him leading us to a league title anytime soon, with or without the right players. He's too rigid in his approach, being bailed out by individuals rather than tactical prowess. I haven't seen anything to suggest his man management is any good either, I'd like to see if he can turn things good for some players who clearly have potential. He managed to make us more solid in defense, that'd nice. He sacrificed a lot though I think. We're an injury or two away from sputtering and hitting a bunch of draws as far as I can see. When things get tough, we'll see how he reverts to old habits. I blame his selection in backroom coaches too. His decision making is odd.

I really don't think he turned anything around that a half competent coach wouldn't have done in the same situation. That's why I struggle to ride his bandwagon. I really hope I'm wrong and he actually turns things around (getting us into CL for one) before we spend too much time and money on this so called narrative he seems to convince everyone with.

Qwiss

flobaba wrote:
In judging Arteta as related to the youth development, who still thinks he screwed up on Saliba? I honestly don’t. Even Gabriel as good as he has been, is still very raw and can be rash.

Don’t think Saliba was ready yet, despite his recent comments in the press. I don’t think Arteta does that sort of thing out of spite or just so he can give David Luiz a chance to play free kicks into row Z.

I think he’s dealt with the rest of them as expected. Everyone here knows exactly how I felt (feel) about the quality or (lack thereof), of AMN, Nelson, Nketiah and Willock. Water always finds its level. These cats were never good enough to be getting minutes at Arsenal regularly. Glad they’re out or on their way.

These things lack context. Nelsons no world beater but he was fine as back up to Pepe, instead we signed Willian, made him first choice and Nelson got basically no minutes. That wasn't good.

With Saliba all people wanted was to play Molde and Dundalk and maybe a league cup game. He was certainly ready for that.

Gazza M

arteta himself admitted the handling of saliba was a mistake. and willian was a balls up. I don't think its rewriting history to say that

banduan

wait did Arteta really admit Willian was a balls up?

Claudius

flobaba wrote:
In judging Arteta as related to the youth development, who still thinks he screwed up on Saliba? I honestly don’t. Even Gabriel as good as he has been, is still very raw and can be rash.

Don’t think Saliba was ready yet, despite his recent comments in the press. I don’t think Arteta does that sort of thing out of spite or just so he can give David Luiz a chance to play free kicks into row Z.

I think he’s dealt with the rest of them as expected. Everyone here knows exactly how I felt (feel) about the quality or (lack thereof), of AMN, Nelson, Nketiah and Willock. Water always finds its level. These cats were never good enough to be getting minutes at Arsenal regularly. Glad they’re out or on their way.

He didn’t screw up. The error was in not getting him out at the end of the transfer window. I still suspect we got held up negotiating contract payments with St Etienne. We should’ve just looked in England. If we continue the great cleanup, Luiz will leave and Saliba will slot in with 20 odd games from France.

On Nketiah et al, read the Telegraph article I shared. I strongly believe we need to make space for guys like Azeez now. The object of bringing through these kids is to build the strongest possible squad. We have found our gems. The others can be fed to West Brom and Newcastle.

Clrnc

Qwiss! wrote:
flobaba wrote:
In judging Arteta as related to the youth development, who still thinks he screwed up on Saliba? I honestly don’t. Even Gabriel as good as he has been, is still very raw and can be rash.

Don’t think Saliba was ready yet, despite his recent comments in the press. I don’t think Arteta does that sort of thing out of spite or just so he can give David Luiz a chance to play free kicks into row Z.

I think he’s dealt with the rest of them as expected. Everyone here knows exactly how I felt (feel) about the quality or (lack thereof), of AMN, Nelson, Nketiah and Willock. Water always finds its level. These cats were never good enough to be getting minutes at Arsenal regularly. Glad they’re out or on their way.

These things lack context. Nelsons no world beater but he was fine as back up to Pepe, instead we signed Willian, made him first choice and Nelson got basically no minutes. That wasn't good.

With Saliba all people wanted was to play Molde and Dundalk and maybe a league cup game. He was certainly ready for that.

Yep. Willian taking Pepe's minutes is retarded. Just look at what Pepe is capable of with a run of games again.

People who think Saliba isn't ready to be even in Carabao and Europa squads need to get real. The 2 shitster that was in his place is terminated this window. We have handled it so badly and made the kid look like a joke.

AAStyle

Completely agree, and we also become some sort of laughing stock in front of agents and players. No top club --save for, maybe, the ultrabillionaire ones-- treats a player that way.

Qwiss

Nice thread Claud you jinx.

goon

Knew this thread spelt trouble.

Claudius

My thoughts haven’t changed. I thought the first half looked great. All I’m judging this guy on is how he is able to coach this team and the progress he is making in that regard. Based on today, things still feel on track.
We don’t suddenly have a team that is free of bozos. So shit will happen. But seeing Saka, Pepe, Partey looking so good is very exciting for Europa League this season and next season overall

Meatwad

there is something in there, but i'm afraid we're not going to be the ones to benefit from it. right now he's learning harsh lessons about putting strong faith in flawed old players.

Gazza M

banduan wrote:
wait did Arteta really admit Willian was a balls up?

no, only saliba. my point was just to add that willian was a player he asked for, and the move was a balls up

Coombs

I mean, we don't really know Arteta asked for Willian, do we? He certainly spoke positively about him, and said he wanted him, but the idea that it was Arteta masterminding the transfer is a bit of a stretch. It was a mistake by the manager, to be sure, but the idea that he walked into Raul's office and said "get me Willian" seems like an assumption, unless I missed something.

Claudius

Coombs wrote:
I mean, we don't really know Arteta asked for Willian, do we? He certainly spoke positively about him, and said he wanted him, but the idea that it was Arteta masterminding the transfer is a bit of a stretch. It was a mistake by the manager, to be sure, but the idea that he walked into Raul's office and said "get me Willian" seems like an assumption, unless I missed something.

You missed nothing. This was in his head coach days

RC8

Some context stats regarding Arteta's luck thus far:

We've hit the woodwork 11 times this season (more than average), have had more own goals than any team (3), and have been awarded more red cards than any other team (5).

We've got 3 goals from penalties, which is about average (manU and Leicester have scored 5 and 8 respectively).

On the lucky side we have conceded less goals from penalties than the typical premier league team.

Claudius

The way folks are livid shows we care again. That’s good. There was an air of ennui around the fan base for a long time.

Bosscielny

Clrnc wrote:
Yep. Willian taking Pepe's minutes is retarded. Just look at what Pepe is capable of with a run of games again.

People who think Saliba isn't ready to be even in Carabao and Europa squads need to get real. The 2 shitster that was in his place is terminated this window. We have handled it so badly and made the kid look like a joke.

The only people who think Saliba came out of this situation looking “like a joke” are the ones who use words like “retarded” to describe anything the club does.

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