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Has Arteta Truly Turned it Around?

Ray

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-58162403

goon

Personally I don’t think he’s going anytime soon barring an absolutely disastrous set of season killing results going by what we’ve seen in the past. Will most likely be around Nov I reckon.

Coombs

Anzac wrote:
Qwiss! wrote:
How bad do you think we'd need to be against Chelsea for the fans in the stadium to start calling for Artetas head? The mood is not positive about him at all now.

TBH I don't think it is the results/performances v the big spenders like MC & CFC that will determine anyone's fate, but more so games like today against teams we should be expected to win against.

That's it exactly. Could care less what we do against the freeloaders, that performance against Brentford was stomach turning. No press, no intensity, no fight, no quality. That's where you earn your bread.

Kel Varnsen

Arteta's football philosophy is outdated. It's too slow and careful. Too much focus on possession and wide play, and not enough focus on pressing and overloading areas.

Kel Varnsen

RC8 wrote:
Klaus wrote:
I think it's the fact that no one is acting shocked (indeed, that most could see this coming) that is so damning. We've spent so much money and time on this midtable team, and the most obvious template is not Manchester City; it's very clearly David Moyes's Everton. Which makes perfect sense when you think about it.

Nah. As a Spaniard I know perfectly well the type of football Arteta is trying to play. We saw glimpses of it when he first took over and players were overexerting themselves for the new boss. It's a very physically and technically demanding style that requires lots of running, positional awareness, and players to pass the ball quickly and precisely over long distances to stretch out the opposition. It's also one of the most painful things to watch when players are not technically gifted (or confident) enough to carry it out.

Stretching out the opposition is an outdated style of football. Modern players are too fit and teams are too organized to be outplayed like that. Modern football is more about pace, overloading small'ish areas, creating controlled chaos, pressing and winning back the ball in dangerous areas.

Don Pacifico

Kel Varnsen wrote:
Arteta's football philosophy is outdated. It's too slow and careful. Too much focus on possession and wide play, and not enough focus on pressing and overloading areas.

It's weird though. Maybe I've misremembered it but I swear both he and Emery pressed more at the start of their tenure.

Coombs

They did. What we saw out there wasn't a tactical failure.

Klaus

They get the team to press more in the beginning because the players are eager to put in a shift for the new coach I reckon. You can't sustain negative, boorish football for years on end though when it's also dependent on extremely hard work, especially not without results. We were already dipping again before the covid break. We came back rested that summer and won the FA Cup, otherwise Arteta would probably have been gone on the final league day, and for certain during the fall when we dipped again. Failing to even qualify for EL through the league was the biggest failure in decades until he repeated it again last season.

Coombs

It's still hard for me to accept the level of performance. It's entirely mental and it boggles my mind that the players are so dependent on a coach to convince them to put in even a basic level of running.

Coombs

It makes me despise the lot of them.

Captain

Who wasn't putting in effort?

It's the opposite - it's what the coach is telling them that is fucking them over.

Coombs

I agree, that was bad coaching, but still - every Brentford player put more into that match than any of ours, except for maybe ESR and Saka when he came on. The rest were jogging and watching each other pretend to press, then miscontrolling every first touch and knocking the ball out for a throw. That's not Arteta's system, it's just bad football.

Captain

I disagree. We had something like 60-70% possession for long passages of the game, which just doesn't happen if they were only doing what you're describing.

Clrnc

He was definitely out coached by Thomas Frank. They particularly only pressed White and Chambers to force us to play through Mari who is average on the ball. Then they had Onweyu to pick up lose balls ahead of Xhaka and Lokonga, and most long balls are towards our right side. It was deliberate and we couldn't find any solutions for it. Once they gone ahead they ceded possession to us and found it very comfortable to defend deep as they know we can only cross out wide and have no creativity.

Rohit

Yeah, the effort bit is overused. Every match we lose it is brought up. It isn't untrue but too much is made of it in most games. We resorted to long ball football for most of the first half, with a kid up front. Our safety first approach has put a doubt in the minds of the players, you can see it. We lost because we pass poorly and we don't move well, partly because I think the players aren't given the freedom. There is way more wrong with us than purely the shift we put in.

lorddulaarsenal

Just want to see us get players in the opponents box.

Play Willock

Famousno10

Starting to really be concerned that Arteta just can't be the right fit for us. I was willing to give him the benefit of doubt as it seemed we had improved the last few months of the season, but either the system he is trying to put in place lacks understanding, or the players are just not responding to him, or both. Clearly a problem.

I've seen worse players than these, but I'm not sure I've seen a worse team, lacking ideas or heart, in 40+ years.

Truly worried.

Jed

Would like to see elite finishing and someone to put the fear of god into defenders.

Play Thierry

Famousno10

Need someone to calm the defence and lead from the back.

Play Tony Adams.

flobaba

Lol. That escalated quickly

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