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Emi Buendia

Sicario

Claudius wrote:
We absolutely do not need Buendia and Odegaard together.
If we go into the season with a front 4 selection of 8 players we should be fine:

Aubameyang/Balogun
Saka/Martinelli - Odegaard/ESR - Pépé/Willock.

With a 40-50 game season, there’s 1800 to 2200 minutes per player. Saka alone played 3600 minutes this season. Pépé who barely played had 2900.

We absolutely do not need 2 signings.

We are not just talking about one season. Signing Bunedia and Odegaard will set us up for years. Want to be playing in the CL in 2022/2023? Those are the signings that should be on the match day squad that year.

Doc

One is more than enough for me.. would much rather add those funds to the CM role... really need to get someone quality there... not convinced by the names being mentioned so far.. Need to get thr most out of the budget we have.

Jed

We don’t need both Buendia and Odegaard. One is enough.

Asterix

Willock mostly played as part of a midfield 3 for Newcastle in their 5-3-2. I'm not convinced he has the technical qualities for us in the role behind the striker. He certainly has the eye for a run and for goal. I think he's better suited to the deeper roles bursting forward. He and Partey would have to learn how to make that work.

Bring Back Kerrea Gilbert

He certainly doesn't have the technical qualities to play behind the striker.

We saw how lost he was in most of his appearances for us.

In the very few occasions he's played as a good ol' CM, he has looked very promising.

Gunner89

Willock doesn't fit into our system.

We need to sell while his value is maximum and get in players that do instead of shoe-horning players in.

flobaba

What is our system? And what type of player would you say fits into it?

Qwiss

Gunner89 wrote:
Willock doesn't fit into our system.

We need to sell while his value is maximum and get in players that do instead of shoe-horning players in.

Then change the system. I don't want to lose such a talented young player to hang onto a system thats finished 8 in the league.

Claudius

The system is great. 235 offense. Willock doesn’t fit our standard application. But we have to decide how we want to build depth. Do we want like for like replacements? Or do we want players who can change the game? Willock, Martinelli, Chambers at RB are players who change the game for you and give enough flexibility in different situations.

Qwiss

The system is a bore that lacks goals. If it can't accommodate a player like Willock then its a problem.

Clrnc

235 offence 😆 Lowest goals scored at home for 30 years or something.

Meatwad

flobaba wrote:
What is our system? And what type of player would you say fits into it?

apparently no one.

Rohit

Clrnc wrote:
235 offence 😆 Lowest goals scored at home for 30 years or something.

Since 73/74. 50 years almost.

Claudius

We didn’t concede goals. That’s a plus. Good foundation to build on.

For me a guy like Willock is a system breaker. If we want to run at a team, there’s nobody better. As long as Parteh can hit passes and we have one of ESR or Odegaard wide, he can fit. Just switches it up

flobaba

Only problem with that system breaker theory is that’s probably the reason why the kid was sent on loan in the first place - the perception that he couldn’t fit into the system. Ceballos, El Neny were deemed better fits.

Claudius

It comes down to what you want from players beyond your first 11. Exact replicas or alternatives? For example, I think great alternatives at right back would be Hakimi and Chambers, depending on game. And both are versatile enough to play together.

Coombs

Agree with that. We've got Tierney, Pepe, Saka, ESR, Partey, Gabriel, and maybe Saliba. Leno at a stretch. The squad we build around them should fill in the gaps, cover their weaknesses, and amplify their strengths. This means have alternatives that are actual alternatives, and it also means building our own squad with our own game - not necessarily trying to copy other teams.

Hakimi and Chambers sounds like an excellent duo for right back. Willock would be a great option to have, but if you can convert him into a more perfect starting player, I'd do that.

flobaba

Very few players in the same team are similar enough in ability to be regarded as “replicas”. Unless and until all or most individuality is stripped from them ala City/Barcelona in favor of the system. The superiority of system play is what Arteta is also trying to institute in our football as well in my opinion. In that light, a Willock in central midfield will find it more difficult to blend in, than say even a Pepe, as the discipline required for the position is extreme. His (Arteta’s) mentor has had issues with players like Yaya Toure, like Henry, like Sterling, etc. Whether Willock has what it takes to evolve into this system specific role is unknown at this point.

Claudius

I see Willock as an alternative in 3 of 4231 or in 2 if we switch to 4123. I don’t see him as a CM double pivot player. He’s an attacker

Clrnc

Claudius wrote:
We didn’t concede goals. That’s a plus. Good foundation to build on.

Which is why 235 offence is laughable. It was mostly 451 defence.

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