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Issa Partey (Might be 'unavailable' for next season)

Ricky1985

I haven't read the conversation the woman posted closely, but from what I can see, she has no business publicly calling Partey a serial rapist without evidence, and the situation she presents is very messy, and to me feels like none of my business.

It's certainly very different to the picture painted when this story first broke of a violent predator preying on multiple women.

I think this should be the end of it, unless new evidence emerges to suggest Partey has raped other women.

JazzG

Shady wrote:
Don't think the club can suspend him if he isn't convicted.

Don't think they can either, the tweets certainly don't make comfortable viewing but from a quick skim through I see nothing there that proves he's a rapist?

Clearly they were going out which always makes things more complicated. But rape is a serious charge, you can't just convict someone without strong evidence. Sounds like she's put this out knowing charges are about to be dropped, which can be viewed from two different perspectives.

All in all a pretty fucking messed up situation.

awooga83

Not commenting specifically in this case but as I've said before victims of abuse or crimes of sexual nature have often not got the justice they should be able to because of the way the system works and often thre are power imbalances in the relationships as well.

It's why a prosecution not going forwards is not necessarily everything is fine and we just act like nothing has happened.

Ricky1985

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That certainly does not suggest she's credible to me.

jones

She said she got paid for signing the NDA and will have to pay the fine for breaking it, nothing contradictory in there

Ricky1985

She took money from a man she says raped her. That she says she believes to be a serial rapist. That's the end of the discussion right there for me. Her credibility was bought, she can't just get it back by making accusations on social media and reneging on her alleged NDA.

invisibleman18

Makes for uncomfortable reading if all true but the story does seem to have inconsistencies. The screenshots that are supposed to prove he admitted to something don't seem to include admission or proof of who the conversation is with as it's under a Snapchat username. "Serial rapist" is a big claim based on the evidence she's posted so far.

Big Willie

This doesn't even make sense. She ended things with him weeks earlier but decided to go with him after he convinced her he changed with these messages? She says

“Have fun fucking girls nowhere nearly as good as me”

decides to go with him anyways and then later says rape after accepting money for an NDA, then saying she signed the NDA but rejected the money.

[Twitter]

So why would she sign an NDA whilst rejecting the money. What would she have to gain? A lot of stuff doesn't add up for me.

jones

Ricky1985 wrote:
She took money from a man she says raped her. That she says she believes to be a serial rapist. That's the end of the discussion right there for me. Her credibility was bought, she can't just get it back by making accusations on social media and reneging on her alleged NDA.

Why are you focussing just on her reliability? There are plenty of horrific passages in there implicating Partey regardless of how she behaved afterwards, let alone the fact she was asked to sign an NDA in the first place, he got arrested several times etc

There's no need to know exactly what went on, and from the sounds it's more than messy either way, but Partey clearly is no innocent man

Klaus

The texts are a terrible read. There's no reason to doubt their authenticity since it would be very easy be prove that they're his. Whether she took money or not from him, signed papers or not, kept seeing him afterwards or not, is completely beside the point. Arguing about it is only useful for people who feel they need to justify having to see this embarrassment line up for us when the new season begins.

Arsenal should have taken their responsibility and conducted their own investigation when they were made aware of the allegations last year. If the club had cared at all they would have gotten rid of him as soon as possible afterwards, because it's pretty obvious what he did. I don't want to see this idiot in an Arsenal shirt again. I'm so angry about all of this. We wait around forever for the ideal midfielder and when we finally find him he goes and shames us like this.

Clrnc

Just read through the whole chat. It's abit complicated because they are going out but the girl is definitely credible come on.

Anyway one important point she mentioned is that she is doing all these so the other girl has a chance to get him into jail. So Partey will not be scot free too

Daz

Too many people falling for the "perfect victim" fallacy here I fear.

invisibleman18

If the club really did know about the allegations and his behaviour a year ago then it certainly raises questions about what kinds of behaviour the "non-negotiables" actually cover, especially given the way the club captain was banished for not fitting in with them.

Clrnc

The non negotiables apply to behaviour at work, not during personal time I believe.

banduan

this is confusing as hell

Coombs

He certainly should not play. This is a football club, whatever the legal aspects may be, he's not someone I can get behind as a fan, and not someone many of his teammates will respect. It'll only get more toxic the more he's in the spotlight, and in the meantime these women are going to get torrents of abuse for what appear to be eminently credible allegations. Again, legal implications are a red herring. He's disgraced the club and should be terminated asap. He can sue the Kroenkes over it if he wants, but either way he should never play for Arsenal again.

jones

Coombs wrote:
He certainly should not play. This is a football club, whatever the legal aspects may be, he's not someone I can get behind as a fan, and not someone many of his teammates will respect. It'll only get more toxic the more he's in the spotlight, and in the meantime these women are going to get torrents of abuse for what appear to be eminently credible allegations. Again, legal implications are a red herring. He's disgraced the club and should be terminated asap. He can sue the Kroenkes over it if he wants, but either way he should never play for Arsenal again.

Agree with this. Was over the moon when we signed him as I've rated him for a long time but there's zero leeway here.

I don't blame the club for not acting on their own to be honest, depending on what they know at least. I'd be horrified at the thought of my employer terminating my contract on the word of any stranger, it's not their place to make investigations either. If the woman produced the NDA and the club still didn't act it'd be a different story but even there legally and even morally it's very much a gray zone, that's normally what the authorities are supposed to be there for.

It's a messed up situation in which she has really helped the club make a decision by coming forward.

goon

Partey is a moron with at the very least serious issues on where the boundaries lie, and I honestly don’t care if he doesn’t play for us again. But ignoring the football side I think we’d do well to reserve judgement on this one, because it sounds complicated as fuck. The fact that she’s going out with him, even after he was accused by her before and the nature of the accusation mean I don’t think we have any real place here to say anything one way or another.

Gazza M

Coombs wrote:
He certainly should not play. This is a football club, whatever the legal aspects may be, he's not someone I can get behind as a fan, and not someone many of his teammates will respect. It'll only get more toxic the more he's in the spotlight, and in the meantime these women are going to get torrents of abuse for what appear to be eminently credible allegations. Again, legal implications are a red herring. He's disgraced the club and should be terminated asap. He can sue the Kroenkes over it if he wants, but either way he should never play for Arsenal again.

you're underrating the aftershocks of sacking a player under those circumstances

Daz

I certainly get what you're saying about this being complicated goon. But situations like this also highlight how narrow and unrealistic many people's (and I'm referring more broadly rather than to this forum specifically) understanding of sexual assault is. For example, casting doubt on whether it could have happened because they appear to have been in some form of relationship, or having quite fixed ideas about how a victim ought to behave in order to be considered credible.

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