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Champions league 2020/21

Rohit

goon wrote:
Claudius wrote:
Even then park the bus Mourinho is a nonsensical idea. Some of the best attacking football I have ever seen was under Mourinho with Cristiano and co. And his best teams were always the highest scorers - Inter, Chelsea etc.

If you fill a team with the best players on the planet then they'll play good football and score goals regardless.

But when you then come up against other good sides and take said best team and play 2 defensive midfielders and 6 across the back like some relegation contender and rely on world class talent to score you a goal or two on the counter, then for me at least that doesn't come under my definition of great football.

And of course when you take away the 11 world class players, you get the dour brand of Mourinho football that we saw at United and Spurs.

His Madrid side played some good stuff but watching his Inter and Chelsea side play football and think it was the best attacking football ever regardless of the goals scored column is really weird. What is ridiculous is the Chelsea side followed the Invincibles. The difference was day and night. Mourinho knew how to destroy, not how to create. That's not a nonsensical idea. His Inter side was as route 1 as it got. I watched Serie A then.

Shady

Tuchel is what Arteta thinks he is.

Sicario

Shady wrote:
Tuchel is what Arteta thinks he is.

What was Tuchel doing at 38?

HomeSteak

Sicario wrote:
Shady wrote:
Tuchel is what Arteta thinks he is.

What was Tuchel doing at 38?

Finishing 7th with Mainz with almost no transfers, getting them to the EL Group stages, learning the craft at a smaller club as a manager should.

Clrnc

HomeSteak wrote:
Sicario wrote:
What was Tuchel doing at 38?

Finishing 7th with Mainz with almost no transfers, getting them to the EL Group stages, learning the craft at a smaller club as a manager should.

That's amazing.

Sicario

HomeSteak wrote:
Sicario wrote:
What was Tuchel doing at 38?

Finishing 7th with Mainz with almost no transfers, getting them to the EL Group stages, learning the craft at a smaller club as a manager should.

Arteta was learning his craft ok, was just doing it in the best league in the world (not farmers league) during a global pandemic and winning our first trophy in 3 years at the same time. Not a bad apprentice.

Clrnc

First time seen us compared to Mainz.

Sicario

Wasnt comparing them directly. Was comparing the achievements of both managers at the same age. Arteta winning FA cup in first half season is undervalued imo.

AAStyle

Clrnc wrote:
First time seen us compared to Mainz.

This is the way. Soon we will forget that we used to be compared with the top guns of Europe. Thanks Arteta, I am sure that the next season you will suceed in making us an established mediocre team.

Jed

Sicario wrote:
HomeSteak wrote:
Finishing 7th with Mainz with almost no transfers, getting them to the EL Group stages, learning the craft at a smaller club as a manager should.

Arteta was learning his craft ok, was just doing it in the best league in the world (not farmers league) during a global pandemic and winning our first trophy in 3 years at the same time. Not a bad apprentice.

Interesting comparison. So we’re now the learning center that Arteta used to launch his career and set him on the path to win the CL with Man City in 2030. We should be glad to have contributed to his development and future success with other clubs, the way Mainz must feel with Tuchel.

banduan

Quincy Abeyie wrote:
banduan wrote:
It just goes to show all the talk about soul destroying football here is mostly results bias.

"Soul destroying football" is a compromise that's only acceptable if it comes with results, what's the bias?

the bias is that nobody talks about Tuchel making compromise. He's apparently some sort of genius. And no one seems to give a shit that Arteta won the FA Cup in his first half season as manager, taking over a team that was in 11th.

jones

Sicario wrote:
Wasnt comparing them directly. Was comparing the achievements of both managers at the same age. Arteta winning FA cup in first half season is undervalued imo.

If you're talking about finishing lower with Arsenal than with Mainz then yes that is some achievement.

And frankly fuck off with your farmers league talk. Only measure the EPL tops the world in is social media following in Asia and TV money most of which goes immediately down the drain. Best league my arse it's a roid fest where 50% of players have a first touch like theyre playing on the moon.

Claudius

Enjoyed watching the all Bundesliga Champions Lesgue final last week? Another one after just 3 years.

jones

That says exactly what about the quality of the league? Is Villarreal now the second best team in England because of that other final?

Claudius

If it keeps happening consistently, maybe it means something. Don’t ignore a trend

Sicario

jones wrote:
Sicario wrote:
Wasnt comparing them directly. Was comparing the achievements of both managers at the same age. Arteta winning FA cup in first half season is undervalued imo.

If you're talking about finishing lower with Arsenal than with Mainz then yes that is some achievement.

And frankly fuck off with your farmers league talk. Only measure the EPL tops the world in is social media following in Asia and TV money most of which goes immediately down the drain. Best league my arse it's a roid fest where 50% of players have a first touch like theyre playing on the moon.

Calm down lad. Dont forget the team you apparently support play in this league. Away from Arsenal 90% of discussions on here are about the EPL.

2/3 of the last CL finals had all Prem teams in them. It is the best league in the world whether you like it or not.

German league is a fucking joke with the same team winning every year. No one gives a fuck about this league mate.

jones

After the social media trophy another addition to add to the cabinet then, the vaunted 90% of OMIT discussions title.

As for the rest of your post maybe you should start posting in the Daily Mail comment section. Funny how the best league in the world has only two CL winners in the last ten years same as the German farmer league.

Claudius

Last ten years is Chelsea x2 and Liverpool x1, mate

Clrnc

Claudius wrote:
If it keeps happening consistently, maybe it means something. Don’t ignore a trend

There was a period between 12 and 20 where they are no English winners and there is an all German final. Does that trend previously meant that EPL was a farmer league back then?

Sicario

Clrnc wrote:
Claudius wrote:
If it keeps happening consistently, maybe it means something. Don’t ignore a trend

There was a period between 12 and 20 where they are no English winners and there is an all German final. Does that trend previously meant that EPL was a farmer league back then?

Spurs Liverpool was 2019

No it meant Spanish League was prob the strongest. Not any more.

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