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Aubameyang signs new long-term contract

jones

Aubas finishing isn't his best attribute his movement is. He creates chances by making himself available in the right places and channels, his poor form is definitely down to him too but fix the midfield and the wingers behind him and he'll be good for another year or two

Qwiss

flobaba wrote:
Quincy Abeyie wrote:
Partey also did us a favour by signing, a better club (Atletico) wanted to keep him.

Do you not think Aston Villa should've resigned Grealish?

Grealish is 25, at, or on his way to his prime.

Auba is 31.

Partey was a win win. He is 27. He was significantly undervalued and underpaid in Spain, and we desperately needed someone with his skill set in his position.

Auba is 31. His only elite attribute is his finishing which he hasn’t displayed in 4 months. He needs someone to create for him - he doesn’t make his own chances. And we signed him on like we were signing a prime Thierry Henry. It was clearly a dumb move. I understand the pressure the club and Arteta were under, but this is where you need a strong willed person in Edu’s role. Someone with their own vision. Identify his successor, sell him off, bring in the replacement, young, hungry, who will be here for their peak in 4-5 years, developing and can be sold off for big profit if we want to at the time. This is the model smart teams who don’t have the luxury of super daddies use. Must use.

Anyway, here we are.

Signing an elite finisher wasn't a stupid move on its own. Its true we need someone to create for him but that just means the mistake is signing him and not combining that decision with the way we play. We don't have a style that suits Aubameyang and its clearly not getting the best from him. If we were going to play in a way that was so focussed on the crossing we have seen we should have sold him and got a target man.

Mirth

Re-signing Auba was a reasonable decision even if may not be optimal. That's all you can ask for.

Clrnc

Whatever it turns out to be, I can't fault the club for re-signing Auba. It's a different situation from Ozil. This guy has been consistently firing for us. Nobody will be able to predict what happens after his new contract whatever it is.

Claudius

Mirth wrote:
Re-signing Auba was a reasonable decision even if may not be optimal. That's all you can ask for.

It was fine.
If your calculation was I can invest £54m in Aubameyang’s wages and by the time his contract is up, I will have replaced him with Martinelli, then it is fine.

There is, however, a world where you can justify an alternative. We paid Aubameyang £54m for 3 years and maybe chose to forego about £40m in transfer fees by not selling him. So that’s a £90-95m opportunity cost.

Victor Osimhen went for upto £72m transfer and about £25m in a 5 year contract. That’s a £97m cost all in for 5 years.

So for the Aubameyang opportunity cost, we could’ve signed Osimhen. In additon, Osimhen would have residual value.

The one reason why these moves consistently make sense for Arsenal is because we are desperate for relevance. And men like Aubameyang give us that. If we are comfortable with doing a fast reset and rebuilding the squad against a clear squad plan then a move like the Osimhen one makes sense. The question is who do we want to be?

Klaus

We certainly don't want to be the club that signed Victor Osimhen for £72 million.

jones

Osimhen didn't really go for 70m, that fee was an accounting exercise between Napoli and Lille. Closer to 40-50m probably, still overpriced mind.

Claudius

Klaus wrote:
We certainly don't want to be the club that signed Victor Osimhen for £72 million.

I picked that because it’s a transfer that actually happened so everything is not super hypothetical. To give you a sense of what the actual alternatives are. And as Jones says, Vic was actually cheaper, his price was an FFP scam.

goon

Has anyone seen some of the figures coming out of Lille in light of the mess Raul's buddy has created there? The agents fees themselves are crazy.

Klaus

Claudius wrote:
Klaus wrote:
We certainly don't want to be the club that signed Victor Osimhen for £72 million.

I picked that because it’s a transfer that actually happened so everything is not super hypothetical. To give you a sense of what the actual alternatives are. And as Jones says, Vic was actually cheaper, his price was an FFP scam.

What it comes down to in the end isn't economical return on investment though but what you get on the pitch. I appreciate that the fact Auba's been lousy for a month or two complicates this point, but the core of the matter is still whether you want top class players or if you want Victor Osimhen... who nobody in the world would ever pick instead of Aubameyang if they got a choice. Do you want to be Dortmund, or do you want to win trophies rather than making profits?

We already made this mistake once when we signed Laca; a record signing at the time who couldn't carry his own socks, much less the pressure of being the main man in a big team. We basically let a good theoretical market profile get in the way of the older and more able player we should have gone all in for. If we had we wouldn't have fallen out of the top four that season, I'm sure about that, and we wouldn't have lost to Atletico in the EL semi either.

Claudius

I want the best. Again, as I said Osimhen was just an example I used. Given the numbers I have above + a young striker’s resale value, we had leeway to replace.

But, it would’ve depended on a) our crack scouting team finding that striker and b) that striker performing as well as one might expect Aubameyang to do in the next 3 years. Given these two variables, I was comfortable with Arsenal extensing Aubameyang last season.

Taking the leap at that trade requires you to really have your ducks in a row on the player development front.

JazzG

He isn't in good form but that above is just criminal, not uncommon either for this team. Pass after pass like that is missed every game because our players don't have the vision for it. Auba is not a player who will contribute well to build up play, he has elite movement and a good finisher. He rarely creates something out of nothing but if you give him the service he will deliver.

Meatwad

JazzG wrote:

He isn't in good form but that above is just criminal, not uncommon either for this team. Pass after pass like that is missed every game because our players don't have the vision for it. Auba is not a player who will contribute well to build up play, he has elite movement and a good finisher. He rarely creates something out of nothing but if you give him the service he will deliver.

he saw the pass, he just didn't have the ability to make it with his right foot. that's why he put his hands up to auba right after he passed sideways. another example of no matter how many more times he puts in a chelsea like performance, he'll always be the same xhaka and has to go.

Gazza M

JazzG wrote:

He isn't in good form but that above is just criminal, not uncommon either for this team. Pass after pass like that is missed every game because our players don't have the vision for it. Auba is not a player who will contribute well to build up play, he has elite movement and a good finisher. He rarely creates something out of nothing but if you give him the service he will deliver.

dog piling on granit is overkill at this point, but he's probably missed many dozens of those passes over the years. while he's carrying the ball forward, he can't set himself or make the necessary body adjustment to pick out those runs. in order for him to play a killer ball, all the conditions have to be perfect I.e. standing still, run can't be too sudden, going down wind etc. cesc or even Santi see that gap and are ready to ping it before auba even makes his move

Jed

Fabregas and Cazorla used to play that pass in their sleep. That’s the level of quality we once had in midfield. We’re so far away now, it’s actually depressing.

Bring Back Kerrea Gilbert

That is absolutely criminal. Cheers for posting that.

I remember on Lacazette's debut against Leicester there were very similar situations highlighted involving Xhaka.

Laca hasn't bothered making a run since.

banduan

Bring Back Kerrea Gilbert wrote:
That is absolutely criminal. Cheers for posting that.

I remember on Lacazette's debut against Leicester there were very similar situations highlighted involving Xhaka.

Laca hasn't bothered making a run since.

Xhaka missing runs has been highlighted to the death tbh

Klaus

The biggest issue isn't that a turnip like Xhaka is missing those runs from deep anyway. We have about half a dozen players who'd spot them in an instant; the problem is that we don't deploy them further up the field where it's easier for them to make a difference.

We've improved a little bit by starting Smith-Rowe and playing Saka in the forward line recently, but both feel like temporary solutions that won't be favoured in the longterm because it's considered too risky.

Sicario

Klaus wrote:
The biggest issue isn't that a turnip like Xhaka is missing those runs from deep anyway. We have about half a dozen players who'd spot them in an instant; the problem is that we don't deploy them further up the field where it's easier for them to make a difference.

We've improved a little bit by starting Smith-Rowe and playing Saka in the forward line recently, but both feel like temporary solutions that won't be favoured in the longterm because it's considered too risky.

Disagree. Arteta is not stupid and players like ESR will only grow and become more integral to the team moving forward.

I can’t see Willian regaining his place in the side other than covering for injuries or players being rested.

banduan

I'm curious who those half a dozen are that aren't deployed further up.

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