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Aubameyang signs new long-term contract

speedy

goon wrote:
Could he just be jaded physically? I said last year that if we're giving a 31yr old a new deal we can't have him running up and down the pitch like crazy twice a week.

I actually think a lot of players in the league are struggling.

He doesn't play Europe. Its easy for a footballer to play once per week. Twice a week takes supreme fitness. Auba plays once its not that. Look how hard vardy worked against us.

speedy

jones wrote:
The inbreds in charge of the league binning the five sub rule sure helped

I dont think Auba is protecting himself any more than he did before. He never was the type to relish physical battles, he left that to Lacazette even though he's the much smaller guy. He's just in piss poor form

He was all involved last season for sure. You don't even have to win the ball just disrupt the guy on the ball enough for a bad touch or miss hit pass. Auba is huge he can do this easily.

speedy

Claudius wrote:
goon wrote:
Could he just be jaded physically? I said last year that if we're giving a 31yr old a new deal we can't have him running up and down the pitch like crazy twice a week.

I actually think a lot of players in the league are struggling.

I don’t think you collapse overnight. But it’s been insane to play him as a winger all year and abuse his enthusiasm. Especially early on when we were pressing. We’ve made him toil for nothing.
The key thing right now is we don’t see any weird cramps and niggles. But we need to use him better.

He plays as a winger because he's better moving into space than using footwork in congested areas to make space. He wants to attack the box at the same angles kane does and he can do that more freely from starting g wide.

I think over a season hed get a similar amount of goals as he'd get some tap ins from the centre. So why give him that roll up top when someone else in theory can be effective there while he's been peak effective from the wing. Even xavi spelled it out when he pleaded with barca not to get auba. He believed he'd be really blunt against a congested defense.

goon

speedy wrote:
goon wrote:
Could he just be jaded physically? I said last year that if we're giving a 31yr old a new deal we can't have him running up and down the pitch like crazy twice a week.

I actually think a lot of players in the league are struggling.

He doesn't play Europe. Its easy for a footballer to play once per week. Twice a week takes supreme fitness. Auba plays once its not that. Look how hard vardy worked against us.

He was playing twice a week at the back end of last year in very short space of time, 12 games in 6 weeks. He looked visibly shattered at the end of a lot of those games too. You'll know more than me ofc, but surely that can take it's toll down the line, especially after a short pre-season?

I'm not saying it's just down to fitness, but things like this can combine along with mental fatigue and a lack of confidence to give us this sort of result. I certainly find it more believable than the cynical fan view that he's got his money now so he's just not going to try.

speedy

goon wrote:
speedy wrote:
He doesn't play Europe. Its easy for a footballer to play once per week. Twice a week takes supreme fitness. Auba plays once its not that. Look how hard vardy worked against us.

He was playing twice a week at the back end of last year in very short space of time, 12 games in 6 weeks. He looked visibly shattered at the end of a lot of those games too. You'll know more than me ofc, but surely that can take it's toll down the line, especially after a short pre-season?

I'm not saying it's just down to fitness, but things like this can combine along with mental fatigue and a lack of confidence to give us this sort of result. I certainly find it more believable than the cynical fan view that he's got his money now so he's just not going to try.

He gave 110% last season it was an abnormal effort from him like I said he's normally just interested in goals. Suddenly he was taking responsibility to make things happen. He played out of his skin to get a move. The move never came so he signed. And he now just looks like he hates the football here. He probably hated it last season but the motivation to get a move to barca etc was freaki g huge plus the new manage had a bit of shinny object syndrome. Hes reverted to being disinterested in general play which is his normal baseline. Plus either protecting his body for a move or just sulking and disinterested. At his level he's not interested in our level.

goon

Didn't know you doubled up as a psychologist to go with the physiotherapy speedy 😆

jones

speedy wrote:
jones wrote:
The inbreds in charge of the league binning the five sub rule sure helped

I dont think Auba is protecting himself any more than he did before. He never was the type to relish physical battles, he left that to Lacazette even though he's the much smaller guy. He's just in piss poor form

He was all involved last season for sure. You don't even have to win the ball just disrupt the guy on the ball enough for a bad touch or miss hit pass. Auba is huge he can do this easily.

He's in a rut is all. Nothing he's doing is working out so naturally you'll see more of him doing nothing than checking a run that never materialises. I wasn't as high on him as most others when he was doing well and I won't slam him now, he's in a slump but he's not Özil in attitude.

Clrnc

goon wrote:
speedy wrote:
He doesn't play Europe. Its easy for a footballer to play once per week. Twice a week takes supreme fitness. Auba plays once its not that. Look how hard vardy worked against us.

He was playing twice a week at the back end of last year in very short space of time, 12 games in 6 weeks. He looked visibly shattered at the end of a lot of those games too. You'll know more than me ofc, but surely that can take it's toll down the line, especially after a short pre-season?

I'm not saying it's just down to fitness, but things like this can combine along with mental fatigue and a lack of confidence to give us this sort of result. I certainly find it more believable than the cynical fan view that he's got his money now so he's just not going to try.

Gary Neville ran the stats last week. Footballers are getting more rest, less games in the same period of time compared to other seasons contrary to popular opinions. Was surprised by that research too.

lorddulaarsenal

Auba looks knackered. Appears to have aged a fair whack over the past 3 months

Qwiss

Clrnc wrote:
Gary Neville ran the stats last week. Footballers are getting more rest, less games in the same period of time compared to other seasons contrary to popular opinions. Was surprised by that research too.

I like to see those stats. Doesn't sound right to me. The season is being compressed into a shorter period of time, how does that allow for more rest?

Claudius

Qwiss! wrote:
Clrnc wrote:
Gary Neville ran the stats last week. Footballers are getting more rest, less games in the same period of time compared to other seasons contrary to popular opinions. Was surprised by that research too.

I like to see those stats. Doesn't sound right to me. The season is being compressed into a shorter period of time, how does that allow for more rest?

depends what the timing is. if he ran the stats in the 90s vs now it might come out as he says. the squads now are massive, so you can effectively run 2 teams for the bigger clubs. but if he ran it within the past 10 years, it would be hard to believe.
also depends what is included in his dataset. did he only pull official games or include friendlies.

Anzac

Claudius wrote:
Qwiss! wrote:
I like to see those stats. Doesn't sound right to me. The season is being compressed into a shorter period of time, how does that allow for more rest?

depends what the timing is. if he ran the stats in the 90s vs now it might come out as he says. the squads now are massive, so you can effectively run 2 teams for the bigger clubs. but if he ran it within the past 10 years, it would be hard to believe.
also depends what is included in his dataset. did he only pull official games or include friendlies.

Perhaps even more relevant it depends if he included just numbers of games per season or anything about the season start & end dates.

I remember AW saying during the 90s the team played over 60 games a season in all comps including internationals.

Clrnc

Claudius wrote:
Qwiss! wrote:
I like to see those stats. Doesn't sound right to me. The season is being compressed into a shorter period of time, how does that allow for more rest?

depends what the timing is. if he ran the stats in the 90s vs now it might come out as he says. the squads now are massive, so you can effectively run 2 teams for the bigger clubs. but if he ran it within the past 10 years, it would be hard to believe.
also depends what is included in his dataset. did he only pull official games or include friendlies.

Basically there are more rest for footballers this year compared to any other years because of the absense of internationals + Covid break. He is focusing on Klopp's argument, 5min 06s is comprehensive enough. Even with slightly lesser days, with the max possible games Liverpool still will have more breaks in between games.

goon

So he's incorporating the COVID break? That's a nonsense argument surely? It's like saying if a player doesn't play for 8 months he then should be able to play a game every day for the rest of the season because on average he has played less football that year.

Qwiss

Klopps argument is bollox, I'll say that much. He's wants his games at different times of the day, which is just splitting hairs. There is a congested season, players are being asked to play more but there is a reason for it. Would he rather we hadn't finished last season and had a normal pre-season and start in August?

I wonder if those stats are using the Charity Shield to skew things a bit. If its all comps and they use that there was an unusually big gap between the CS and the start of the season this year.

Claudius

Ah. The mid year internationals were cancelled.
But then the players came back and played through, got a 3 week summer break and right back at it. Spurs were playing every 3 days for about 3 weeks early in this season. I suspect this year since we returned from Covid break had been brutal for teams, including the coaching teams who need to be at all these games. I’d imagine the odd travel arrangements are an additional tax

Qwiss

European games used to be every second week, currently its every week. This groups stage spell has been very congested and if you were in a tough CL group it meant an important game thats hard to rotate for twice a week. Thats suite a bit different from slotting in Carling Cup games or whatever.

goon

It's definitely all comps, they have 69 games in that column. 'Day's in a season' gives it away. PL started mid September, which is a full 30 days later than normal, whereas Community Shield was late August, which is potnetially only 15 days later.

I'm also guessing it doesn't factor in that players are going off and playing 3 games during the international break rather than 2.

Either way, I think injuries are already up 30%. Could be a coincidence, but it's there. And we haven't even got to the nightmarish xmas period.

Clrnc

goon wrote:
So he's incorporating the COVID break? That's a nonsense argument surely? It's like saying if a player doesn't play for 8 months he then should be able to play a game every day for the rest of the season because on average he has played less football that year.

You have a point but if in a normal season without covid, the players play till end may, start Euros in June and ends in early july, rest for 1 month before starting the CS, it's a lot worse in terms of rest anyway.

Klaus

Anzac wrote:
Claudius wrote:
depends what the timing is. if he ran the stats in the 90s vs now it might come out as he says. the squads now are massive, so you can effectively run 2 teams for the bigger clubs. but if he ran it within the past 10 years, it would be hard to believe.
also depends what is included in his dataset. did he only pull official games or include friendlies.

Perhaps even more relevant it depends if he included just numbers of games per season or anything about the season start & end dates.

I remember AW saying during the 90s the team played over 60 games a season in all comps including internationals.

Yes but football in the 90s was barely a sport from an athletic perspective. Tony Adams could spend half his career shitfaced and still keep up. He wouldn't have a hope of making it today while being on the bottle.

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