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speedy

Rohit wrote:
speedy wrote:
Meanwhile in reality he always shows for the ball. Name one? who grabbed the game by the scruf of the neck when the swiss when 3-1 down? So many playwrs heads dropped and xhakas didn't. That's standard for him.

That's your reality. What is the point in referencing his national team performance in one game and worse conveniently branding it standard. He is better for the Swiss and yet he looked as bad in a couple of group games as he has done for Arsenal. It's a totally different pace, tempo, physical intensity and also mentality.

If Xhaka grabbed Arsenal games by the scruff of the neck, fans would know. He grabs necks for sure. He is much more likely to lose possession in a dangerous area, make an inane tackle, concede an unnecessary free kick than drive through the midfield and make a difference. He takes time to control easy passes, takes an age to turn and then ponders on the ball before a lot of times just passing it back. Fans want him replaced because we need a better standard of a first team player.

It's his last competitive game and great example of his leadership. Which people are saying he doesn't have. DLPs don't drive through the midfield generally. Someone like pogba can because he's got unbelievable ability. But him doing flashy turns in the centre and loosing the ball is what the Swiss scored from to get back into the game you mentioned. Which is why you wouldn't want your guy in the centre circle taking people on.

Your last point that we could do with an upgrade this is obvious but that's the same for half the team. And the point was he has leadership skills and puts effort in. Unlike some others who just go through the motions and don't get any stick for it. I'm just highlighting the sillyness of giving our best midfielder stick over 5 years and players who offer far less and have less ability get a free pass. And players who put in less effort get a free pass.

Clrnc

😆 You don't want your guy in the centre taking people on? That's nonsense, it depends on the type of CM he is.

People are disappointed we are still building our team around Xhaka in CM because for the past 5 years managers put faith in him only to be disappointed. It's not his fault, sure. He puts in effort, sure. But he is too limited and don't suit our play at all. I am sure he is fantastic in Bundesliga and Serie A where he have more time and pace is slower, but how many more years of no success do we want to be able to recognise CM is our problem?

speedy

Clrnc wrote:
😆 You don't want your guy in the centre taking people on? That's nonsense, it depends on the type of CM he is.

People are disappointed we are still building our team around Xhaka in CM because for the past 5 years managers put faith in him only to be disappointed. It's not his fault, sure. He puts in effort, sure. But he is too limited and don't suit our play at all. I am sure he is fantastic in Bundesliga and Serie A where he have more time and pace is slower, but how many more years of no success do we want to be able to recognise CM is our problem?

Xhaka isn't the manager, isnt our head scout and doesnt get in the way of us signing better midfielders like partey. It's childish to blame him for such things. People are just making up stuff now to bash him like hes not a leader when hes shown throughut his career he is. Hes been captain for country and every club hes played for. He gave a massive leaders preformace to drive the swiss past the feanch in his last comptitive game.

He's guilty of being our best midfilder for the past half a decade. It's the other duds and donkeys that have held us back a lot more that are the pinicle of the problem while xhaka is the punching bag for fan furry. We signed chambers for almost 20M 6 years ago. apart from being a decent 3rd choice RB while AMN is on loan has he given us a single preformance thats as good as a average xhaka game. I can't think of one, against liverpool he gave is the worst CB performance I've seen in an arsenal shirt in 20 years. Yet nobody is bothered. Too busy slamming xhaka for our directors,management, scouting and transfer team not being good enough for the past 5 years. I expect it from average fans but people here at too smart for this shit.

QuincyAbeyie

Someone is just totally missing the point that whether it's his fault that he's not good enough for what we should be looking for in a CM is totally irrelevant for whether we should get rid of him.

Qwiss

Xhaka over the last 5 years has regularly just switched off. We know he's a capable passer when he wants to be but how many times has he played a lazy pass straight to the opposition? If you break your concentration like that its because you are not focussed and giving it 100%, god knows he's not running end to end every match and giving us something extra physically.

speedy

Qwiss! wrote:
Xhaka over the last 5 years has regularly just switched off. We know he's a capable passer when he wants to be but how many times has he played a lazy pass straight to the opposition? If you break your concentration like that its because you are not focussed and giving it 100%, god knows he's not running end to end every match and giving us something extra physically.

Ridicilous, so if xhaka misplacing a pass proves he's not focused and not giving 100%, then what does Parteys regularly wildly shooting the ball out of the stadium prove? Never mind parteys worse pass completion rate last season.

flobaba

Lol, speedy why are you choosing xhaka as your hill?

Anzac

Burnwinter wrote:
Rohit wrote:
He grabs necks for sure. He is much more likely to lose possession in a dangerous area, make an inane tackle, concede an unnecessary free kick than drive through the midfield and make a difference.

Hashtag leadership. One of the mysteries with this guy is why he's so well-liked in the dressing room versus the time bomb quality.

I don't see the contract extension as a total disaster—I can't see the point—but it would be great if he could now put together a consistent season.

I wonder if that will be tested following his comments at the ECs?
I'd imagine a few 'old school' types would be wanting to have a private conversation out behind the changing sheds.

I can't imagine how his presence after his comments can NOT have as much a detrimental impact as any of the likes of Ozil, Mustafi, Kolasinac hanging around last season. Not just in regards to the players but also in terms of the credibility of both Arteta and Edu, and I'd rate that at higher value just on principle and potential impacts to the season than the 5m difference to have Xhaka off the books.

IMO if Xhaka stays Arteta abd Edu lose any credibility and it conforms for me that KSE & AFC is all about the money and not the football.

As long as Xhaka remains part of the match day squad our midfield will remain unbalanced in ANY 2 CM configuration, and is only likely to work if we change to a midfield V with a ball winner/screening DM at the base (Bissouma?), and then play Xhaka and Partey in the #8 roles going forward to support the front 3. That said IMO Xhaka is simply not worth the effort as he is basically not suited to the 'needs' of a CM in the EPL.

Xhaka is the ultimate poster boy for AW's square peg signings, and is the reason why our midfield is both unbalanced and not fit for purpose in terms of our play and service to the forwards.

goon

He's always stuck me as one of those guys that views himself a leader and strong character rather than actually being one. The way he always bounces back from adversity is admirable, but it also poses the question why he's able to up his game after high profile incidents but not during the normal course of the season, like during our awful run last autumn.

The red card against Burnley is another prime example of how his idea of aggression is misplaced. Instead of doing it with his pressing or passing, he decides to start a fight over nothing.

Huge pressure on Partey this season to both stay fit and perform and it's not off to the best start.

Qwiss

speedy wrote:
Qwiss! wrote:
Xhaka over the last 5 years has regularly just switched off. We know he's a capable passer when he wants to be but how many times has he played a lazy pass straight to the opposition? If you break your concentration like that its because you are not focussed and giving it 100%, god knows he's not running end to end every match and giving us something extra physically.

Ridicilous, so if xhaka misplacing a pass proves he's not focused and not giving 100%, then what does Parteys regularly wildly shooting the ball out of the stadium prove? Never mind parteys worse pass completion rate last season.

Xhaka misplaces easy 10 yard passes. Thats not the same as not being able to bend it into the top corner from 35 yards every time. But of course you know this and are just being a boring troll as usual.

speedy

flobaba wrote:
Lol, speedy why are you choosing xhaka as your hill?

People presumed i was ozil maybe i was xhaka? 8)

speedy

Qwiss! wrote:
speedy wrote:
Ridicilous, so if xhaka misplacing a pass proves he's not focused and not giving 100%, then what does Parteys regularly wildly shooting the ball out of the stadium prove? Never mind parteys worse pass completion rate last season.

Xhaka misplaces easy 10 yard passes. Thats not the same as not being able to bend it into the top corner from 35 yards every time. But of course you know this and are just being a boring troll as usual.

Your point was terrible and thats why you've now resorted to insults. The standard for shooting isnt bending it in the top corner everytime.

Qwiss

Nah you just take a contrary nonsense stance on everything because you know you are wrong 90% of the time.

Clrnc

speedy wrote:
Clrnc wrote:
😆 You don't want your guy in the centre taking people on? That's nonsense, it depends on the type of CM he is.

People are disappointed we are still building our team around Xhaka in CM because for the past 5 years managers put faith in him only to be disappointed. It's not his fault, sure. He puts in effort, sure. But he is too limited and don't suit our play at all. I am sure he is fantastic in Bundesliga and Serie A where he have more time and pace is slower, but how many more years of no success do we want to be able to recognise CM is our problem?

Xhaka isn't the manager, isnt our head scout and doesnt get in the way of us signing better midfielders like partey. It's childish to blame him for such things. People are just making up stuff now to bash him like hes not a leader when hes shown throughut his career he is. Hes been captain for country and every club hes played for. He gave a massive leaders preformace to drive the swiss past the feanch in his last comptitive game.

He's guilty of being our best midfilder for the past half a decade. It's the other duds and donkeys that have held us back a lot more that are the pinicle of the problem while xhaka is the punching bag for fan furry. We signed chambers for almost 20M 6 years ago. apart from being a decent 3rd choice RB while AMN is on loan has he given us a single preformance thats as good as a average xhaka game. I can't think of one, against liverpool he gave is the worst CB performance I've seen in an arsenal shirt in 20 years. Yet nobody is bothered. Too busy slamming xhaka for our directors,management, scouting and transfer team not being good enough for the past 5 years. I expect it from average fans but people here at too smart for this shit.

I think to be fair if you read the last pages people only starting picking on Xhakas fault in response to you building him up like he's our saviour and so good he's not to be blamed. It was initially disappointment from us ridiculously offering him a 4 year contract and not rebuilding our midfield when he's clearly not the right fit for the team.

I said in my posts it's not his fault, but you can't blame people for speaking the truths with regards to his limitations.

speedy

Qwiss! wrote:
Nah you just take a contrary nonsense stance on everything because you know you are wrong 90% of the time.

Then your logic in the argument would have help up. It really was as you put it a "nonsense stance". And now you're getting all angry about it.

Everyones is wrong plenty, I'm happy to be proved wrong.

Qwiss

speedy wrote:
Qwiss! wrote:
Nah you just take a contrary nonsense stance on everything because you know you are wrong 90% of the time.

Then your logic in the argument would have help up. It really was as you put it a "nonsense stance". And now you're getting all angry about it.

Everyones is wrong plenty, I'm happy to be proved wrong.

You ignore logic constantly. You compared missing a simple short pass in midfield to scoring from a long shot.

GooneriC

We really are a stupidly run club nowadays . We kept Arteta and Xhaka , sent away Saliba and spent 50 million on Ben White.

Rohit

speedy wrote:
]Too busy slamming xhaka for our directors,management, scouting and transfer team not being good enough for the past 5 years. I expect it from average fans but people here at too smart for this shit.

You say this often and you have been constantly behind Aubamayeng with loads of your own exaggerations. Why do that? Why not blame the directors, management, scouting and transfer team for offering him a new deal? This is ridiculous. Fans shouldn't say a word about a player not being of the acceptable level because he doesn't recruit or pick himself.

It's a shame that he has been our best midfielder for 5 years, which in itself is debatable, we had Ramsey until 2 seasons back. The bar for Arsenal's best midfielder needs to be higher. Now you want to pile on Calum Chambers to make reasons for Xhaka, mostly a bit part player who even went on a season's loan one season and spent another out with an ACL.

Fans would want him gone if he was starting every game. In case you haven't noticed most here want a new RB. No one cares much about a player like Chambers and no one would if Xhaka was an option off the bench for us. No one is slamming Xhaka, fans just want a better player starting for us. Xhaka isn't good enough.

speedy

Qwiss! wrote:
speedy wrote:
Then your logic in the argument would have help up. It really was as you put it a "nonsense stance". And now you're getting all angry about it.

Everyones is wrong plenty, I'm happy to be proved wrong.

You ignore logic constantly. You compared missing a simple short pass in midfield to scoring from a long shot.

I compaired there pass accuracy over the course of the season, you logically left that out because that's were your argument fell on its face and you got angry and tried insults. You suggested in accurate passes proves he's not focused and not giving 100%, parteys shooting this season could fairly be described as completely wild. The suggestion in the comparison was obvious thats misplacing passes or shots(I compaired both) isn't the correct measurement of not giving 100% as you suggested, as a made up way to beat our player down. I extended your argument to players you like(Thors chesspiece) you got pissed about it. It's your measurement system theirs no need to get angry at me or xhaka about it not working.

My stance all along isnt that xhaka is the height of our ambition, but that fans are overly harsh to him based on his ability. I feel you've highlighted that nicely, thank you.

speedy

Rohit wrote:
speedy wrote:
]Too busy slamming xhaka for our directors,management, scouting and transfer team not being good enough for the past 5 years. I expect it from average fans but people here at too smart for this shit.

You say this often and you have been constantly behind Aubamayeng with loads of your own exaggerations. Why do that? Why not blame the directors, management, scouting and transfer team for offering him a new deal? This is ridiculous. Fans shouldn't say a word about a player not being of the acceptable level because he doesn't recruit or pick himself.

It's a shame that he has been our best midfielder for 5 years, which in itself is debatable, we had Ramsey until 2 seasons back. The bar for Arsenal's best midfielder needs to be higher. Now you want to pile on Calum Chambers to make reasons for Xhaka, mostly a bit part player who even went on a season's loan one season and spent another out with an ACL.

Fans would want him gone if he was starting every game. In case you haven't noticed most here want a new RB. No one cares much about a player like Chambers and no one would if Xhaka was an option off the bench for us. No one is slamming Xhaka, fans just want a better player starting for us. Xhaka isn't good enough.

I'd given 3 other players lots of deserved hastle for not trying Auba this season who I said at the time we should have sold at the time so I did critisise that decision. Ozil when he wasnt trying and people were very defensive of him for quite a while. And Pepe who just didnt play for the team. I explained that loads. And recent Freddie came out and said the same thing I've been saying all along, he just wants to stand up top not defend and get the ball on the break against the defender one v one and score. Its fine for a lower team but as a team with ambition we can't be a player down when we don't have the ball.

So just 3 players all for a lack of effort.

Even when we had ramsey the team was a shambles when xhaka missed a game. Even his biggest critis admitted that. My suggestion was he gets an unfair amount of critisim, not that hes the pincle of our ambitions in midfield.

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