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Granit Xhaka

Gazza M

he's just a habitual dynamism preventer. so much of potential is capped by this guys inability to play pass and move football. he has a way of inveigling and burrowing himself so deeply into our play, so that everything must go through the granit choke point. this is why I want him out of the 11 once partey is back, he sucks up way too much oxygen in midfield. we don't want Thomas waiting on granit to stop, circulate, re-circulate, go backwards, sideways, diagonally backwards, then finally passing forwards once he finds himself in the 10 square yards of safe space he requires

Meatwad

goon wrote:
You'd probably end up accidently walking away from him.

the runarsson of midfielders: this has to be a trick right?

Jed

I don’t like this guy but at least he’s not Elneny levels of bad.

Claudius

El Neny is less technically proficient. He’s the guy who twice passed straight at Brighton players yesterday. But he’s significantly more progressive. Xhaka is a negative creature

Rohit

They both play at a leisurely pace. Too many touches because they can't do any better. They need time and they need to look up and pass when there is no pressure on them. We just need more ability in the center of midfield.

Clrnc

We need to ditch both if we could.

Qwiss

Claudius wrote:
El Neny is less technically proficient. He’s the guy who twice passed straight at Brighton players yesterday. But he’s significantly more progressive. Xhaka is a negative creature

If you are a less progressive footballer than Elneny then you may as well be on the other team. Our midfield duo were appalling yesterday. Hopefully we can sign a Partey partner in Jan.

Claudius

Qwiss! wrote:
Claudius wrote:
El Neny is less technically proficient. He’s the guy who twice passed straight at Brighton players yesterday. But he’s significantly more progressive. Xhaka is a negative creature

If you are a less progressive footballer than Elneny then you may as well be on the other team. Our midfield duo were appalling yesterday. Hopefully we can sign a Partey partner in Jan.

Aye. Neither should start. We have shamed ourselves

BWooley

I think the next two transfer windows will tell us a lot. A lot of deadweight contracts are expiring and we will have salary room in the squad to make the right additions. The profile of incoming players will tell us a lot and Edu's colours will be clear come September 2021.

speedy

Qwiss! wrote:
Claudius wrote:
El Neny is less technically proficient. He’s the guy who twice passed straight at Brighton players yesterday. But he’s significantly more progressive. Xhaka is a negative creature

If you are a less progressive footballer than Elneny then you may as well be on the other team. Our midfield duo were appalling yesterday. Hopefully we can sign a Partey partner in Jan.

Exactly Partey is a rolls royce of a player, We need to put someone of real quality beside him to make it count. Otherwise its like kos & mustafi, or cesc & denilson.

Anzac

speedy wrote:
Qwiss! wrote:
If you are a less progressive footballer than Elneny then you may as well be on the other team. Our midfield duo were appalling yesterday. Hopefully we can sign a Partey partner in Jan.

Exactly Partey is a rolls royce of a player, We need to put someone of real quality beside him to make it count. Otherwise its like kos & mustafi, or cesc & denilson.

Partey's partner will also tell us what role he is envisaged as being used in / signed for.

A covering player like Bissouma enables Partey to get forward more in a B2B type role,
whereas a Sabitzer / De Paul / Jordan type would see Partey as likely being the deeper CM in a 2 CM midfield.

MistaT

I'm hoping we see a CM/DM (like Arteta while he was here) alongside Partey, so that Partey can get further forward. He's shown a great ability to in tight spaces and to dribble/break pressure. Be a shame to stifle him as a DM....

Coombs

Nah Partey should play deep and we should sign 8s.

Anzac

Coombs wrote:
Nah Partey should play deep and we should sign 8s.

Sabitzer & Grealish to play as hybrid #8/10 ahead of Partey.

Qwiss

MistaT wrote:
I'm hoping we see a CM/DM (like Arteta while he was here) alongside Partey, so that Partey can get further forward. He's shown a great ability to in tight spaces and to dribble/break pressure. Be a shame to stifle him as a DM....

Definitely. We need that drive more than anything in midfield. Get a proper defensive player who's also capable of moving the ball quickly. I'm worried we'll just sign some half arsed AM in the window and our midfield will still be a mess for the rest of the season. For me the partner to Partey is the biggest issue in the squad. None of Ceballos, Xhaka or Elneny are close to being good enough.

Gazza M

Coombs wrote:
Nah Partey should play deep and we should sign 8s.

I prefer this tack myself. partey is one of a kind in how he evades high presses. play some dynamic partners with him so we have a system that penalises any overzealous or uncoordinated pressing. option 2 would to get another atheltic powerhouse next to him to form a double pivot, then you can play an all-out creator ahead of them

goon

Qwiss! wrote:
MistaT wrote:
I'm hoping we see a CM/DM (like Arteta while he was here) alongside Partey, so that Partey can get further forward. He's shown a great ability to in tight spaces and to dribble/break pressure. Be a shame to stifle him as a DM....

Definitely. We need that drive more than anything in midfield. Get a proper defensive player who's also capable of moving the ball quickly. I'm worried we'll just sign some half arsed AM in the window and our midfield will still be a mess for the rest of the season. For me the partner to Partey is the biggest issue in the squad. None of Ceballos, Xhaka or Elneny are close to being good enough.

I sort of agree but given how important it is to get that position right, I'm willing to wait until the summer to make it happen.

A Fernandinho/Fabinho type would be perfect. Strong, good readers of the game, relatively quick and yet very good on the ball too. No one obvious springs to mind but I'm sure there is someone out there who matches that description to an extent.

Anzac

goon wrote:
Qwiss! wrote:
Definitely. We need that drive more than anything in midfield. Get a proper defensive player who's also capable of moving the ball quickly. I'm worried we'll just sign some half arsed AM in the window and our midfield will still be a mess for the rest of the season. For me the partner to Partey is the biggest issue in the squad. None of Ceballos, Xhaka or Elneny are close to being good enough.

I sort of agree but given how important it is to get that position right, I'm willing to wait until the summer to make it happen.

A Fernandinho/Fabinho type would be perfect. Strong, good readers of the game, relatively quick and yet very good on the ball too. No one obvious springs to mind but I'm sure there is someone out there who matches that description to an extent.

I only want a DLP type IF we're going to play an inverted 3 and/or we are not looking to play Partey as the deepest CM.

If we ARE going to use Partey as the deepest CM then I'd want the likes of Sabitzer / De Paul as the progressive CM / #8 type, as well as an attacking/progressive player as CAM such as the likes of ESR / Isco / Brandt / Buendia.

Ricky1985

goon wrote:
Qwiss! wrote:
Definitely. We need that drive more than anything in midfield. Get a proper defensive player who's also capable of moving the ball quickly. I'm worried we'll just sign some half arsed AM in the window and our midfield will still be a mess for the rest of the season. For me the partner to Partey is the biggest issue in the squad. None of Ceballos, Xhaka or Elneny are close to being good enough.

I sort of agree but given how important it is to get that position right, I'm willing to wait until the summer to make it happen.

A Fernandinho/Fabinho type would be perfect. Strong, good readers of the game, relatively quick and yet very good on the ball too. No one obvious springs to mind but I'm sure there is someone out there who matches that description to an extent.

Aren't you just describing Thomas Partey?

Coombs

😆 exactly! We need 8s.

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