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Willian

Klaus

There's Martinelli too, although he is out for 4-5 more months.

Gazza M

Gunner89 wrote:
If we can get willian and another winger while selling Laca then that's great.

Willian is a good experienced pro who still is performing at the top level.

Zaha would be great if he can come cheaper.

I'd prefer zaha too. There was some hint that palace might accept a loan with an obligation to buy, seeing as though his value has declined this season

I do wonder if this deal doesn't happen if martinelli wasnt injured for so long

Willian is an ok stop gap while the youngsters develop further, but just not on a 3 year deal. Theres always a chance youngsters like saka have a sophmore slump next season.

But if we're cutting corners on low hanging fruit like willian and countiho, we better be holding back cash for 1 or 2 prestige buys

goon

I see a lot of fans screaming Kia this Edu that, but honestly I don't for a second believe we'd sign anyone that Arteta isn't fully on board with. He's made it abundantly clear in the press that he has been a leading figure in formulating our plans for the summer.

If we sign either or both of Willian and Coutinho, then it would have almost certainly been as a result of Arteta wanting proven PL quality. All Kia does is provide an easy route to attaining this.

HomeSteak

Picked up by everyone now:

EDIT:

wait, reports from Brazil say Barcelona are also interested. They wanted him for a long time, come on guys, go for it.

Gazza M

They'll announce willian and auba back to back to take the sting out of it

Sicario

Pro's:

Already lives in London
Has played in the prem since 2013, no adjustment needed
Already good friends with David Luiz from NT and Chelsea. Own an Italian restaurant together in Mayfair called Baddo.
Is a proven winner, won two premier leagues, an FA Cup and a Europa League as we all know
18 in g+a's last season - arguably signing him at his prime
Willian, Auba, Pepe on paper is awesome.
We need an out and out winger
Will allow us to go big on other players as we are getting him on a free
Can provide leadership and guidance to our younger players
Relatively good injury record

Cons:

-He is turning 32 next week
-Traditionally, Brazlian players tend to crumble physically after 32/33

We dont want another Ozil situation in 2 years time
He will take important playing time from the likes of Saka, Nelson and Martineli
Our history of signing players from Chelsea has not been great

Conclusion:

7/10 signing but only if Auba stays and we sign two proper signings in CM and CB.

Clrnc

Really don't get this. When we got Sokratis I said we'd regret getting him over the younger defenders we are linked with and within a year that was obvious.

3 year deal on huge wages will set us back quite a bit with fuck all resale value when what we really need now is to build squad value step by step.

Laca to Juve is seriously making the rounds. Why not get Bernadeschi or Douglas Costa from there?

Gunner89

Bernadeschi has been an absolute flop

Douglas costa has scored 1 league goal each the last 2 seasons.

A 30 year old who's never played in England. No thanks.

Captain

Clrnc wrote:
Really don't get this. When we got Sokratis I said we'd regret getting him over the younger defenders we are linked with and within a year that was obvious.

3 year deal on huge wages will set us back quite a bit with fuck all resale value when what we really need now is to build squad value step by step.

Laca to Juve is seriously making the rounds. Why not get Bernadeschi or Douglas Costa from there?

Maybe the thinking is that in a season or two we will have first team ready options, but they aren't quite there yet. So, for now, to help us move forward we only need a stop gap, rather than a long term signing.

QuincyAbeyie

Yeah don't want more players who don't score. Would rather Coutinho on loan than Willian on a three year deal though.

goon

Gunner89 wrote:
A 30 year old who's never played in England. No thanks.

This is the big thing. If you want someone to make an guaranteed instant impact you need someone with PL experience.

Claudius

Clrnc wrote:
Really don't get this. When we got Sokratis I said we'd regret getting him over the younger defenders we are linked with and within a year that was obvious.

3 year deal on huge wages will set us back quite a bit with fuck all resale value when what we really need now is to build squad value step by step.

Laca to Juve is seriously making the rounds. Why not get Bernadeschi or Douglas Costa from there?

Honestly, you really want nobody from the Juve squad that played the better part of this season. They're the most oddly built squad in Europe right now. There are only 4 options you might look at, but each have their flaws

Demiral is incredible, but is only coming back to training in August from ACL
Dybala is also incredible but is hard to play in the 433
Rabiot. Nuts
De Ligt. Having some issues adapting to Juve's zonal marking and overall awareness of play. Clearly high potential but little issues you pick up

goon

We should just take the money really, a swap deal feels like it would be a little forced and you'd end up taking someone that wouldn't normally be on your shortlist.

But maybe swap deals are playing a bigger role this summer with everyone being broke, it's perhaps a way to extract a bit more value.

GooneriC

Maybe Willian can be a Ze Roberto type , even now that guy looks fitter than most footballers

Claudius

goon wrote:
We should just take the money really, a swap deal feels like it would be a little forced and you'd end up taking someone that wouldn't normally be on your shortlist.

But maybe swap deals are playing a bigger role this summer with everyone being broke, it's perhaps a way to extract a bit more value.

Yeah. I think if swap deals are to happen, teams need to look to America for inspiration. There, the agents work overtime to structure 3 or 4 team deals to arrange something that works for everyone.

Teams are really broke. If Real and Barca are broke, then we are really counting on only Chelsea, City, PSG (and United) to create liquidity in the system. So that might affect transfer activity throughout the entire continent. The whole system needs a push for all the clubs to spend. I feel for the small country and 2nd tier clubs. They're going to see their asses

GooneriC

Only swap I would make with Juve is Guendouzi for Betancur and then we can sell them Lacazette and offload Toreira to someone else.

Gunner89

goon wrote:
Gunner89 wrote:
A 30 year old who's never played in England. No thanks.

This is the big thing. If you want someone to make an guaranteed instant impact you need someone with PL experience.

A winger/attacking player having never played in England coming in at that age usually doesn't bode well and it's a huge risk especially so when you're gambling on the cash one might otherwise receive from your highest value expendable.

Dybala isn't going anywhere. He was for sale last summer and now Sarri has given him an important role.

Rabiot is already expendable but there are concerns about attitude there and he's not exactly what we need either.

De Ligt is a pipedream.

I'd rather have the cash to go for a partey, zaha and/or jovic.

Neither Martinelli or Nketiah would fit into my thinking.

Martinelli is out till the new year and will be slowly eased in.

Nketiah is a hard worker but there are doubts about his ability to get goals regularly. It was good that we brought him back in January as we needed an extra body but now we should ideally give him a loan with guaranteed minutes.

Clrnc

It's really on. 3 years + 1 more option. Crazy

That's literally 32m outlay on a pensioner. I do rate his current level and its obviously better than our boys but that's 32m we will never see again in a squad we desperately need to have value for sustainable future. There's a better way to spend the money and that's to stop signing pensioners without resale value. We kept doing that past few years and every time we regret it.

These are the sort of moves West Ham used to make to take past it players from top clubs

QuincyAbeyie

Imagine if Auba doesn't sign due to disagreements regarding wages. We'll literally have sold Auba and given his wages to Willian.

Gunner89

Quincy Abeyie wrote:
Imagine if Auba doesn't sign due to disagreements regarding wages. We'll literally have sold Auba and given his wages to Willian.

Nonsense.

Willian's wages are covered by Mkhi terminating his deal with us/spending next season at Roma where he's tearing it up.

Now if that's the best way to use that amount of money is another question.

The option for the 4th year looks to be in the club's hands per the tweet so it doesn't change much if at all from the original reports.

Personally, IMO it'd be best to get him on a 2-year deal if that's possible.

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