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Anzac

Bring Back Kerrea Gilbert wrote:
I thought there was going to be a protest before the game today?

Matched our performance = non event.

jones

Coombs wrote:
Sure, net. Let's pretend that means something.

What Arsenal have failed at is being a member of the in-crowd, moving players around in circles to mutual benefit. Raul tried to get us there but he's a joke and we just got fleeced.

Our signings have been much better of late. At least that's something. Maybe it'll help to pull us up to the big money so we can have a better "net spend". It'll only work if we get results, though. That'show you build value.

Net spend sure did mean something back when the only signings we got were <10m after having to sell starters for 20m+. Clrnc point is that our owner backed Arteta in the market which is easily verifiable, your point apparently is we can't sell anyone because "we're not part of the in group".

Burnwinter

Coombs wrote:
Sure, net. Let's pretend that means something.

What Arsenal have failed at is being a member of the in-crowd, moving players around in circles to mutual benefit. Raul tried to get us there but he's a joke and we just got fleeced.

Our signings have been much better of late. At least that's something.

Agree with this. I don't think it makes sense to suggest our signings are just poorly chosen when considering nett spend. The turnover in spending is relevant, the ability to shift and crowd out former top players with fresh quality, and the activities of other clubs like Chelsea in terms of farming loaned midlist players and so on are very relevant.

We're a less appealing destination so the spend to quality ratio shoots up. Look at Pepe! Decent player, but that fee was eye-watering, up at the level Chelsea just paid for Lukaku, considering what we got. We've also felt the need to hang on to veterans with uncertain form to our detriment, whittling down their resale value while often not seeing much contribution on the pitch.

jones

Lukaku not only moved clubs during the covid era but also cost almost 50% more than Pepe. Also does anyone really look at any of our players and genuinely believe they're playing to the normal level of their ability? Pepe moved from a club that finished 2nd in France under the best manager in that league, scoring 21 goals in the league, to a club that finished 8th twice, under three different managers the last of which is probably the worst coach in the EPL.

We're a less appealing destination than maybe three or four clubs in the country. There are not a lot more clubs abroad who have a bigger draw than we do. If we wanted Maddison he would've immediately ditched Leicester for us. We wanted Partey and he left a club three steps ahead of us. Of course there are many different factors playing a role in why we're a shit outfit at the moment but this defeatist talk of us being basically helpless, there's nothing we could do etc is absolute nonsense to me. I said this before but you lot really need to take a look at what other clubs are doing to see that it's far from a foregone conclusion how and where we end up in the table.

Burnwinter

Fair I guess, I don't think you're wrong, but I also don't think I'm wrong. I don't think we're helpless and I think we could improve our signings. But it's not easy given where the club's at, the focus on youth is the right approach.

Burnwinter

Actually, the bit where you said other views were "absolute nonsense" was not fair. Heh.

jones

I wasn't referring to any other specific view, I'm talking about the insinuation that "this is who/where we are". Not even just the signings we're making although that there's a particularly jarring aspect of where we're failing, the players who are here alone should be doing a lot better. If you look at other clubs and how much they make of a whole lot less, and vice versa with many more clubs, you start to wonder why this is where we're allegedly supposed to be.

You get a coach in who's shown at other clubs that he knows how to coach players into playing to their normal level (or above that even) and you immediately better our prospects in the league and beyond. I don't think this is very controversial considering how much our players cost and how we're playing football come match day like a bunch who've never played together. Ideally this prospective head coach also knows how to pick his players without wasting large sums leaving us empty handed when trying to improve positions where internal solutions don't work, but if that's not feasible he should be having a DoF ahead of him who's responsible for exactly that and ideally has a CV to prove he knows how to do it as well.

We have Mikel Arteta and Edu Gaspar in those positions that decide our fates, both of which had a combined zero fucking days of experience in their positions before we gave them their jobs. Is there any particular reason we should not expect that there are many people out there who could do a lot better with the resources we have?

Burnwinter

Right. But the problems are holistic, and go up to the executive level and the Board, so Edu and Arteta are not being replaced—yet. In what sense is that not a sign that "this is where we are"?

Everyone else in the world from journalists, to fans, to our players, to our former players working as commentators can see the current setup is making a mockery of Arsenal, but not our leaders. That's the malaise.

It all feels a bit like the claims we were just one timely bankrolled signing or two away from triumphing under Wenger from 07-08 onward. It often seemed to be true and generated vast frustration, but the key signings at the right time never materialised.

We have a slow-paced owner apparently without any urgent interest in our football, and an Olympics guy with a bit of second grade sponsor-schmoozing experience as our CEO.

It is a bit of a pointless argument because it's only two interpretations of the same situation. Predictions at least are verifiable, and due to all these factors, I don't think we're digging ourselves out of this rut this season or next season, and we'll be fortunate if it happens even that quickly.

Anzac

Dangote finishes his refinery before the season ends doesn't he?

Meatwad

fuck him. old pump faking ass motherfucker.

Rohit

What the hell happened to this club!

Klaus

We hired lesser people who then spent more money to get worse results. Classic Spurs move.

Wilson

Qatar is heading towards a new investment in the Premier League.. from the Arsenal gate A Qatari official hints at the imminent completion of the acquisition of Arsenal by the Qatar Investment Authority Heading to the Premier League after a special experience in Paris_Saint_Germain

Coombs

:boris:

Meatwad

trolling us while we're down.

Ricky1985

Would genuinely rather Ek and less money, if it's done properly and with the fans and values of the club at the centre.

Meatwad

nope, i prefer this.

Klaus

I'd rather Daniel Levy owned Arsenal than one of those Qatari twats.

Qwiss

Wilson wrote:

Qatar is heading towards a new investment in the Premier League.. from the Arsenal gate A Qatari official hints at the imminent completion of the acquisition of Arsenal by the Qatar Investment Authority Heading to the Premier League after a special experience in Paris_Saint_Germain

Mbappe to Arsenal on deadline day.

Big Willie

Meatwad wrote:
nope, i prefer this.

Same. Not like we can pretend to be the club we were 20 years ago. We have a useless billionaire owner, we had a useless oligarch part owner for a number of years.

We're a club that's sacked 55 day workers and the Gunnersaurus to save a couple bucks whilst trying to put the rest on furlough.

This belief that we're a class above this is as outdated as our ability to play good football.

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