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Kieran Tierney has joined the Arsenal

flobaba

We have such a sweet squad, right here right now is the best time for a new manager to take over and begin to implement new ideas before the players become completely jaded and lose all self confidence.

Bring Back Kerrea Gilbert

He's playing like shit.

It's 90% down to our genius manager though.

Gazza M

it sucks because we have a defensive minded right back, so now the onus is on KT to provide attacking impetus and he's gone missing in the outer hebrides

KingslandBarge

Really feel for him if he now plays within himself because he fears the dreaded shock of a torn hamstring or thigh muscle or other followed by realization he'll be out for months again. Who knows but things don't take very long to change do they. Chilwell now performing lightyears ahead in comparison since coming back in, probably setting the tone for LB in the league along with Cancelo.

Qwiss

Chilwell is playing wing back in a 5 man defence though. Even Alonso looked great in that system.

KingslandBarge

Good point. Tierney 'stuck' playing LCB for Scotland too.

naz

Just like most players in the squad, KT has regressed. Can't help but blame Arteta and his coaching staff.

Don Pacifico

I'm not sure I get this argument. Didn't Tierney have his best season with us last year, under Arteta?

I think there needs to be a more nuanced discussion in terms of what is wrong at the club right now, rather than putting it all Arteta's door (not assuaging him of responsibility either).

goon

Regressed is too strong a word, like the other players he's just not performing to the best of his ability that can quickly change with some confidence. Agree with Don too, Tierney is probably the one player who's actually benefitted from Arteta's system in the past.

Unlike others though my concern for Tierney is that it seems to be a bit of a pattern for him. He seems to be another one who's following the Ramsey cycle of spending 1/3 of the season looking great, 1/3 lacking sharpness and another 1/3 injured. There's stories of him approaching training like it's match day and while it's great to read, maybe it's taking it's toll on his body.

Qwiss

goon wrote:
There's stories of him approaching training like it's match day and while it's great to read, maybe it's taking it's toll on his body.

Then there is the comments about Reiss Nelsons injuries at Feyenoord coming because the training at Arsenal wasn't intense enough.

Anyway I don't think Tierney looks unfit, he's still bombing up and down the pitch with relative ease. I think its tactical. He looked great last season because almost everything came through him, he was never outstanding defensively. Now he's more just a bit of a normal left back and not as integral to things, plus Arteta doesn't really play much through the full backs anyway. I think in the final 3rd he just suffers from the same lack of a cohesive attack everyone else does in the final 3rd. He hasn't been terrible either.

banduan

The problems right now with Tierney is little to do with his pace moving up and down, it's with the sudden loss of the ability to pass properly and take on players.

Coombs

Yes but I think both are a result of the way the midfield is set up.

KingslandBarge

Surprised its might only be me then but I think he's been poor in defense too. At times poor sharpness when marking both man or zone, physically slow off mark, and tactically weird positioning. I guess the Chelsea game made him look particularly bad which wasn't all on him. Will try and fetch some stats later.

goon

Qwiss! wrote:
goon wrote:
There's stories of him approaching training like it's match day and while it's great to read, maybe it's taking it's toll on his body.

Then there is the comments about Reiss Nelsons injuries at Feyenoord coming because the training at Arsenal wasn't intense enough.

Anyway I don't think Tierney looks unfit, he's still bombing up and down the pitch with relative ease. I think its tactical. He looked great last season because almost everything came through him, he was never outstanding defensively. Now he's more just a bit of a normal left back and not as integral to things, plus Arteta doesn't really play much through the full backs anyway. I think in the final 3rd he just suffers from the same lack of a cohesive attack everyone else does in the final 3rd. He hasn't been terrible either.

There may be other factors and I reckon all our guys look sluggish compared to the opposition, but he's definitely lacking sharpness too imo. Look at how easy he found it to beat his man when he was at his best last year, he was doing it for fun. Every time he tries right now he's being stopped relatively easily or being pressured enough to prevent a good cross.

It's different to fitness, Ramsey was exactly the same. When he was lacking that extra edge elements of his game would take a big dip.

QuincyAbeyie

I also think it makes us more predictable (and by extension makes Tierney easier to defend against) that we have one fullback that always attacks and one that never does.

Meatwad

i don't get the fascination with his attacking game anyway. arteta is so focused on him as if he's dani alves at sevilla or something. when i look at tierney and want to compare his attacking skills to an arsenal fullback from the past i don't think ashley cole, i think more lauren (even though he was a former midfielder). if he was ashley cole like then i could understand this attacking focus.

Kel Varnsen

Injuries have set him back a bit. He'll return to form.

Gazza M

Meatwad wrote:
i don't get the fascination with his attacking game anyway. arteta is so focused on him as if he's dani alves at sevilla or something. when i look at tierney and want to compare his attacking skills to an arsenal fullback from the past i don't think ashley cole, i think more lauren (even though he was a former midfielder). if he was ashley cole like then i could understand this attacking focus.

I think he could get to coles level in an attacking sense, he has the pace and crossing when he's in form. cole also had the benefit of playing with Henry and Pires who could make anyone look like an attacking genius. where Cole will probably remain miles ahead is defense. haven't seen anywhere near the kind of defensive ferocity in tierney that Cole used to have. he was a freakish 2 way fullback

Captain

Cole was a far more intelligent player, from what we have seen so far.

Qwiss

In fairness if you were doing a Premiership XI Cole is nailed on at left back. Tierney doesn't have to be quite as good as that.

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