I still think we should keep a good relationship with Leipzig. Loan them ESR and make an offer to take Upamecano next year.

HomeSteak wrote:

.@skysports_sheth
: Arsenal continue to push for Tierney. Those close to the deal are telling us they expect a resolution and Tierney to become an Arsenal player before the 5pm deadline on Thursday."

They can do one now.

May want to keep them sweet if we try again next year.

we should offer to sell them ESR for £20m if they sell us upamecano now for £50m and we agree to loan him back for 1 year. his release clause drops next summer (still above £50m), but they'd get to keep him for this season, and then get £50m for him when he has 1 year left on his deal, and they get ESR for less than we value him.

would suck to not have him this season, but maybe we can patch the defense together this season. we're still not winning the league this season. no need to burn a bridge at a club that has tons of good young talent. id rather secure upamecano and wait a year, same with saliba, than settle for rugani.

Good idea that

We should use ESR as leverage for a future Upamecano deal. Maybe do a next summer transfer agreement now.

Tierney should be here by tomorrow. Makes too much sense not to happen. Lennon is pretty much begging for a transfer the entire month

Clrnc wrote:

Tierney should be here by tomorrow. Makes too much sense not to happen. Lennon is pretty much begging for a transfer the entire month

Nowhere near as things currently stand.

mdgoonah41 wrote:

everyone here has been trashing rugani and calling him the italian mustafi and i really hope they are wrong. but damn, i wish we could do better.

that said, if we end this window with ceballos, pepe, tierney, a new CB and we're able to move a bunch of fringe guys, and hopefully mustafi, then that was a good window.

Maybe because Klaus who watches him week-in, week-out said he was like Xhaka in defence.

Hard to know where to look but the fans on the first forum of theirs i found don't seem to rate him either.

Yesterday at 9:21 PM
Senior Member
campionesidd said:

Why is this thread so dead? I'm excited at the prospect of selling him.

Yesterday at 9:23 PM
pavelnel said:

Me too. He is a disappointment. I defended him but I am not blind to his obvious weaknesses and cannot defend him anymore.
I defended him for 2-3 seasons, but he is just not mentally cut out to be a Juve starting defender.


fredrik
Senior Member
Yesterday at 10:47 PM

Please get rid of this peeping tom

https://www.juventuz.com/threads/daniele-rugani.39164/page-264

Apparently the juve.com account is reliable ffs

Tam wrote:

Clrnc wrote:

Tierney should be here by tomorrow. Makes too much sense not to happen. Lennon is pretty much begging for a transfer the entire month

Nowhere near as things currently stand.

Do you know more than us or do you and Clrnc simply disagree?

We simply do not want the combination of Xhaka, Rugani and Mustafi/Sokratis. Trust me on that one. We will be eaten alive. I watch a ton of Juventus and that combination is just inviting dynamic teams to kill us

Quincy Abeyie wrote:

Tam wrote:

Nowhere near as things currently stand.

Do you know more than us or do you and Clrnc simply disagree?

I know more than you. Friend of a friend of a friend sort of situation.

@[deleted] I see. Well, that sucks.

So Kos and Mustafi replaced by Rugani and Luiz. Not the best but not the worst either, especially if Rugani is a 4th choice CB on loan. He’s really competing with Medley in that case. Hope this won’t stop us from going big for a CB next summer.

just want to reiterate something i said recently. the summer transfer window should only be open for 2 weeks, from july 1 to july 15. they keep taking these half measures to shorten it, but its nowhere near short enough. force teams to do their business and stop fucking around. ive wasted hours here refreshing this thread, i need to get actual work done

I actually think Luiz has been excellent since returning to England. Would be one of the better stop-gap options.

Muswell Hill Gooner wrote:

Maybe because Klaus who watches him week-in, week-out said he was like Xhaka in defence.

I don't watch him week in week out to be fair, but I've seen him enough to have a decent opinion of him. I follow a bit of the discussion around Serie A in general too and I know what the Juve fans think of him. It doesn't combine for a pretty picture.

The most worrying part to me is the rumours about a two-year loan with a mandatory buy clause. I just can't see how it's a good move to spend £50-60 million in total on this guy over the next 24 months and then not even have the option of getting rid of him.

We've been told we're outsmarting the market, but does spending £80 million on Pepe and then picking up scraps from other clubs really fit that idea? What's the plan here, exactly? How come we have a three month transfer window but we're still left on deadline day trying to pick out a few good apples at the bottom of a rotten barrel?

The obvious answer is that we were sold a bullshit story. The window can still end well, but what we do know is that we have £60m to spend on a defender and we're still walking around in the dark on deadline day, with Rugani and a 32 year old Luiz the most probable alternatives.

Two year loan with mandatory but clause sounds like horseshit anyway. When did that type of transfer ever happen?

mdgoonah41 wrote:

just want to reiterate something i said recently. the summer transfer window should only be open for 2 weeks, from july 1 to july 15. they keep taking these half measures to shorten it, but its nowhere near short enough. force teams to do their business and stop fucking around. ive wasted hours here refreshing this thread, i need to get actual work done

Members of the board, what the fuck?
The window is a decent length. The English Fa did well to close it before the season begins. Our team had so much work to do. Would be hard to sort it out in 2 weeks, especially with all the summer tourneys.

Also Klaus while you might be correct about this not being a "outsmarting the market" type of situation please stop dragging the mood down

This place was unbearable for most of last season and I want to at least enjoy it until we start fucking up on the pitch

mdgoonah41 wrote:

just want to reiterate something i said recently. the summer transfer window should only be open for 2 weeks, from july 1 to july 15. they keep taking these half measures to shorten it, but its nowhere near short enough. force teams to do their business and stop fucking around. ive wasted hours here refreshing this thread, i need to get actual work done

I don't know how old you are/when you started following football but wonder how you coped before 2002 when there were no limitations.

The window to register players only really needs to be one day.

The only difference a longer window makes is if you want to make deals contingent on outgoings or incomings. None of that's the case here, transfers like this would be ages in the making transfer window or not ffs

Shady wrote:

Leno
Bellerin Sokratis Luiz Tierney
Xhaka Ceballos Torreira
Pepe Lacazette Aubameyang

A solid first eleven, and Holding could come into the first team. Depth in attack is worrying.

No Mustafi, so I could get behind that. 

I'd imagine we'll see Lacazette and Auba rotating a lot at CF so we'd see Iwobi/Nelson at LW. Of concern, doesn't seem Ozil or Mkhi play well out there.

mdgoonah41 wrote:

we should offer to sell them ESR for £20m if they sell us upamecano now for £50m and we agree to loan him back for 1 year. his release clause drops next summer (still above £50m), but they'd get to keep him for this season, and then get £50m for him when he has 1 year left on his deal, and they get ESR for less than we value him.

would suck to not have him this season, but maybe we can patch the defense together this season. we're still not winning the league this season. no need to burn a bridge at a club that has tons of good young talent. id rather secure upamecano and wait a year, same with saliba, than settle for rugani.

That's a reasonable route, but I worry we'll also need next year for Saliba/Upamecano to get up to speed. 

What about:

Sell ESR this year to them, loan Upamecano with a first rights clause for next year at his release clause (which is quite high)?

HomeSteak wrote:

Emery told @IbrahimKhadra that #AFC are working on at least one deal before the transfer window shuts. He was asked about Coutinho and jokingly replied that the Brazilian is on his way to London this evening.

This ebening?

jones wrote:

Also Klaus while you might be correct about this not being a "outsmarting the market" type of situation please stop dragging the mood down

This place was unbearable for most of last season and I want to at least enjoy it until we start fucking up on the pitch

Right, going back to hoping Upamecano will show up on the official site in the next 40 hours or whatever's left. It still seems like a good bet to me, and if we're serious about him I don't see why we wouldn't get it done. I refuse to believe we're willing to pay £60 million but would let the season fall apart because Leipzig ask for ten more.

£20m for Luiz is silly

Klaus wrote:

Muswell Hill Gooner wrote:

Maybe because Klaus who watches him week-in, week-out said he was like Xhaka in defence.

I don't watch him week in week out to be fair, but I've seen him enough to have a decent opinion of him. I follow a bit of the discussion around Serie A in general too and I know what the Juve fans think of him. It doesn't combine for a pretty picture.

The most worrying part to me is the rumours about a two-year loan with a mandatory buy clause. I just can't see how it's a good move to spend £50-60 million in total on this guy over the next 24 months and then not even have the option of getting rid of him.

We've been told we're outsmarting the market, but does spending £80 million on Pepe and then picking up scraps from other clubs really fit that idea? What's the plan here, exactly? How come we have a three month transfer window but we're still left on deadline day trying to pick out a few good apples at the bottom of a rotten barrel?

I couldn't agree more.
Outsmarting the market should be giving us more CB options than Upamecano, Rugani and, god forbid, Luiz.

Klaus wrote:

jones wrote:

Also Klaus while you might be correct about this not being a "outsmarting the market" type of situation please stop dragging the mood down

This place was unbearable for most of last season and I want to at least enjoy it until we start fucking up on the pitch

Right, going back to hoping Upamecano will show up on the official site in the next 40 hours or whatever's left. It still seems like a good bet to me, and if we're serious about him I don't see why we wouldn't get it done. I refuse to believe we're willing to pay £60 million but would let the season fall apart because Leipzig ask for ten more.

This sounds relatively upbeat I guess. Appreciate it, tak

Think we will end up with Tierney, and Luiz. With Upamacano agreed for next year with ESR going to Leipzig on loan. Maybe a last minute push for Coutinho too.

Inject something in me.

Bring Back Kerrea Gilbert wrote:

Inject something in me.

Try fentanyl

I’d take an agreement for Upa

Kroenke may not be willing to invest, but he should certainly be convinced that loaning some of next year's transfer budget to the club would be in his interest as we won't get back into the Champions League, his money maker, without defensive signings.

i feel sick