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Premier League 19/20

Qwiss

Shady wrote:
arsedoc md wrote:
Shady must be English. Occam's razor.

I am. No one would remember Liverpool's triumph.

If Jordan Henderson lifted the Euro trophy for England we'd hear even more of it.

Ray

If I was to pinpoint suspicous Liverpool players I would go with:

TAA, Robertson, Milner, Henderson, Wijanldum, Mane, Salah,

TambourineMan

What's up with games this weekend? Why have there been so few?

Jens

Winter break.

Klaus

Winter break. I think the only ones that played were clubs that had previously postponed games.

Claudius

No. They have a staggered winter break. Because... money.
Half the teams played this weekend. The other half next weekend
In all of that, they still find space for a Monday game next week

Klaus

You're right. I thought our game against Newcastle was the weekend after next, but it's actually on Sunday.

Never trust the Premier League to do anything properly when they can do it halfassed.

Shady

Looking at the table, and fixtures, seems West Ham will likely go down.

Will be quite funny seeing them play Championship games at that abomination of a stadium.

mentalvortex

Do you guys reckon that there is any truth in Guardiola's statement that his job is on the line if Man City lose the champions league tie against Real Madrid ?

jones

Would be ridiculous if true, I wouldn't even pick Liverpool ahead of Madrid and their bald fraud at the moment. Hope they sack him anyway

Ricky1985

I really like this graphic. Not from an Arsenal point of view - hopefully Arteta can move that red bar further up the pitch and generally start to make it look more like City and Liverpool and less like an Emery team - it's fascinating to see the differences, even though there aren't many surprises. Brighton and Sheffield United stand out considering the quality Potter/Wilder have to work with; Leicester are a little deeper than I would have expected; and it's no surprise that Mourinho has made his mark already!

The trend is clear though, the higher up the pitch you can make the majority of your defensive actions, the higher you'll likely be in the table.

Klaus

That's a brilliant graphic. I think it's consistent with what modern football has told us on the pitch too: pressing hard high up the field is more important than organised deep defending for top teams. Leicester are caught a bit in-between because they play on the counter so much, but I think Rodgers is on his way to transform them.

Our red band is embarrassing, but the other thing that sticks out to me is United. You can see they are trying to play like a big team but they don't have the players. Really makes you hope that they're in for another flop summer where Pogba leaves and Martial, that lazy prat, stays put.

Burnwinter

That's one of the most useful graphics I've seen in years. Ta Ricky!

Ricky1985

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The hero football deserves, but not the ones it needs. 😆

Claudius

Very helpful graphic, Ricky. It aligns with what we see on the stats, but i didn’t expect Liverpool and City to be that far out to the right. They really are brilliant at keeping opponents under pressure. This is what we’ve lacked, even with Emery’s misguided pressing. God, I’ll never get over that.

goon

You need good fitness and discipline to do it high up the pitch, otherwise you just end up getting bypassed and slaughtered. It's why we seem to have a habit of pressing high in the first half and then dropping deep in the second. Klopp had the same issues with Liverpool in his first season or two.

It's funny, watching Tottenham this season I've often felt they look a lot like us. Simple graphic probably does a better job than anything else in transmitting a teams approach to a game.

Claudius

what’s great about that graphic is that it plays up the defensive side of the game. Too often, we default to describing teams in terms of their offensive posture. Actually, their defensive posture is at least as important if not more. How you defend impacts how quickly you can transition into your default offense and also defines how much the other team puts you under defensive pressure.

So for us now, when we lose the ball players are in 325, they need the explosiveness and coordination to recover the ball in 5 seconds, else fall back into 433 and drop back. If they can get the recovery early, we stay in the 325 and keep our opponent pinned back. We haven’t pushed this as hard as we could’ve because I think we just don’t have the fitness to pack hunt like raptors.

But from the graphic, you can see that Pool and City are a distinct animal, even if their offensive styles might look dissimilar, they are founded on similar defensive foundations.

Clrnc

Amazing graphic. Pressing under Emery is almost non existent on a consistent basis, he set us up to defend deep like those other pub teams.

I'm amazed by Sheffield United, Everton and Brighton especially the former. I know Potter's high pressing philosophy even from the Ostesund game he played against us, but Wilder's formation is so weird I never really spotted that high a press from his teams.

Leicester, United and Soton have managers that want to press but yet plays on the counter often. But otherwise most big teams play one way and most relegated teams play deep.

QuincyAbeyie

Several newspapers reporting that City have been banned from the CL for two seasons. Get top 5!!

Qwiss

We could still manage 5th couldn't we? Its back on!!!

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