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Emery’s Team

y va marquer

It's not an overrated factor at all.
Consistency of selection is a contributing factor to the success of a team.
Chelsea's title winning side in 2016/17, Leicester's in 2015/2016 made amongst the fewest changes to their starting 11 amongst PL teams.
Not suggesting that changes are never made throughout the season, clearly circumstances will dictate players will need to be swapped out.
Consistency of formation won't mitigate against the problems caused by making wholesale changes to a starting line up from one game to another as Emery does

Claudius

You’re both right. It’s the combination of squad turnover and constant formation changes. The squad can never build instinctive playing patterns. Liverpool rotates. It’s hard to notice because it’s typically only 2 players per game. But it’s the same damn formation every time, so they limit disruption in playing patterns throughout the squad.

y va marquer

I think that's a better way of looking at it Claudius, one is dependent on the other.

jones

That's the exact same thing I said anyway 😆

y va marquer

Hmmm. It's categorically not exactly the same as what you said Jones.

You said consistent selection was an "overrated factor anyway" and that the "bigger problem" was the "constant change in formation".

Claudius, on the other hand gave equal weight to both factors.
Very balanced is Claudius 🙂

goon

Does anyone know of a manager who changes things up as much as Emery and is successful? Genuine question.

jones

y va marquer wrote:
Hmmm. It's categorically not exactly the same as what you said Jones.

You said consistent selection was an "overrated factor anyway" and that the "bigger problem" was the "constant change in formation".

Claudius, on the other hand gave equal weight to both factors.
Very balanced is Claudius 🙂

I also said too many changes at once were a bigger problem than just constant smaller changes.

Never mind though y va I've learned to expect that even if I were asked what time it is you'd still reply that the time I'm giving isn't true in most parts of the world

DiabyKungFu

goon wrote:
Does anyone know of a manager who changes things up as much as Emery and is successful? Genuine question.

As Jones said, Ferguson would change things up all of the time. It worked out pretty okay for him, I would say.

goon

I know he evolved over seasons but he didn't really change things much within seasons did he? I mean other than bringing in Park to play against us.

DiabyKungFu

He would put out a new starting 11 every game: https://www.theguardian.com/football/2009/dec/29/alex-ferguson-manchester-united-squad-rotation

Coombs

I think the real answer, unfortunately, is "it depends."

Completely different approaches can both work. It depends on who you are, who your players are, the squad makeup, the circumstances, etc.

Great managers create the circumstances in which they can succeed. Good coaches hope the circumstances suit them.

jones

You should write one of them life coaching books.

goon

Diaby KungFu wrote:
He would put out a new starting 11 every game: https://www.theguardian.com/football/2009/dec/29/alex-ferguson-manchester-united-squad-rotation

I mean tactical changes (whether that's by changing formation, style or significantly different personnel) rather than simply rotating.

y va marquer

jones wrote:
y va marquer wrote:
Hmmm. It's categorically not exactly the same as what you said Jones.

You said consistent selection was an "overrated factor anyway" and that the "bigger problem" was the "constant change in formation".

Claudius, on the other hand gave equal weight to both factors.
Very balanced is Claudius 🙂

I also said too many changes at once were a bigger problem than just constant smaller changes.

Never mind though y va I've learned to expect that even if I were asked what time it is you'd still reply that the time I'm giving isn't true in most parts of the world

😆 Maybe..
Ah I wouldn't really Jones, my friend (not being sarcastic here), I do like a good old debate/argument about nothing of consequence though, as long as I'm not insulting anyone.

y va marquer

goon wrote:
I know he evolved over seasons but he didn't really change things much within seasons did he? I mean other than bringing in Park to play against us.

My memory is of Fergie's starting XI remaining largely constant throughout each season.

I also remember when he was forced to parachute players in they ended up pulling some Roy of the Rovers style stunt

lorddulaarsenal

He didn’t really dick about with centrebacks or strikers

Shady

Ýep, Fergie knew that titles are won at the business ends of the pitch.

Shady

He also had a fuckton on money to just buy the best players in those positions.

Ray

Shady wrote:
He also had a fuckton on money to just buy the best players in those positions.

Like they don’t have a fuckton of money now? Yet they haven’t won a title since he left.

jones

Yeah but he spent fucktons back when nobody else had any money. Blackburn did for a minute won a title and got relegated not too long after.

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