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William Saliba

Coombs

Lol. Whatever.

Mirth

I agree with Clrnc, Fofana improved their defence.

jones

😆 it's a nonsensical argument either way, as if age comes with a guarantee of performances. We're not Real Madrid either that we can let other clubs develop top talents and even Madrid signed Varane when he was 18 and had him in the first team right away.

Coombs

It's not down to whether or not you agree. I'm not going to crunch the numbers myself because there are people paid to do it, in this case it was Lewis Ambrose.

In any event, the loan is perfectly acceptable and was just the sort of thing fans were calling for Arsenal to do. Snap up young talent and farm them out to build value. Twitter is a distorted fantasy that's twisted everything into a soap opera.

Mirth

Coombs wrote:
It's not down to whether or not you agree. I'm not going to crunch the numbers myself because there are people paid to do it, in this case it was Lewis Ambrose.

I'm not het up about whether their defence conceded more goals or not. I trust Lewis Ambrose's ability to operate a spreadsheet but Fofana played well for Leicester and I don't think they were worse off for integrating him in their team relative to the options available. Moreover, Dortmund and Leicester have a far more successful model that we do this past five years, in terms of player asset appreciation, results and entertainment. (this is despite both teams being overrated by being everyone's second favourite club)

jones

Coombs wrote:
It's not down to whether or not you agree. I'm not going to crunch the numbers myself because there are people paid to do it, in this case it was Lewis Ambrose.

In any event, the loan is perfectly acceptable and was just the sort of thing fans were calling for Arsenal to do. Snap up young talent and farm them out to build value. Twitter is a distorted fantasy that's twisted everything into a soap opera.

I don't do social media, only twitter I read is here.

People want Nketiah or Nelson loaned out to build value because they have no way of breaking into the first team right now. Saliba was loaned back immediately after we bought him which everyone was fine with. He was good enough to play for us last season and we fucked it up, he's good enough to play for us now and we do it again. Nowhere is this loan anything near acceptable.

Coombs

I don't want Arsenal to operate anything like Dortmund or Leicester. It's just managed failure (Ranieri's freak title win aside). At least we're failing by trying to succeed.

I don't begrudge them their strategy, but it's what smaller clubs do. Bigger clubs fail hard, and that's what we're doing right now.

And we don't know what Leicester might have achieved letting in a few less goals. Might be in the CL.

Meatwad

how the fuck are we trying to succeed? we have a loser manager who should still be putting out cones for pep and thinks his shit doesn't stink.

jones

We don't have a strategy, we just happen to have more money than either club. Richer clubs take players off of smaller clubs since forever, if those small clubs reinvest that money wisely they can still succeed.

Nobody came to sign our players in the last few years because most of the time they looked like shit. Liverpool had to "develop" Suarez and Coutinho for Barcelona and got a CL and league title for their troubles. If you don't want us to operate like that what exactly do you want us to do?

Meatwad

jones wrote:
Coombs wrote:
It's not down to whether or not you agree. I'm not going to crunch the numbers myself because there are people paid to do it, in this case it was Lewis Ambrose.

In any event, the loan is perfectly acceptable and was just the sort of thing fans were calling for Arsenal to do. Snap up young talent and farm them out to build value. Twitter is a distorted fantasy that's twisted everything into a soap opera.

I don't do social media, only twitter I read is here.

People want Nketiah or Nelson loaned out to build value because they have no way of breaking into the first team right now. Saliba was loaned back immediately after we bought him which everyone was fine with. He was good enough to play for us last season and we fucked it up, he's good enough to play for us now and we do it again. Nowhere is this loan anything near acceptable.

and the likes of nketiah and nelson shouldn't be able to break into an arsenal side. they are mediocre at best. if players like that are breaking into our team then we only aspire to be mid-table.

Meatwad

jones wrote:
We don't have a strategy, we just happen to have more money than either club. Richer clubs take players off of smaller clubs since forever, if those small clubs reinvest that money wisely they can still succeed.

Nobody came to sign our players in the last few years because most of the time they looked like shit. Liverpool had to "develop" Suarez and Coutinho for Barcelona and got a CL and league title for their troubles. If you don't want us to operate like that what exactly do you want us to do?

finish 10th and support shitty managers, the new arsenal way.

Clrnc

That's a weird argument. You are saying if Leicester played the other available options, Wes Morgan or Filip Benkovic they would have conceded less goals than playing Fofana who was their best defender this season by a country mile?

Big clubs fail hard, mind citing any modern example of supposedly big clubs with our financial resources and spending power for the past 3 years finishing 8th 2 seasons in a row or 4-5 seasons out of UCL?

Clrnc

jones wrote:
We don't have a strategy, we just happen to have more money than either club. Richer clubs take players off of smaller clubs since forever, if those small clubs reinvest that money wisely they can still succeed.

Nobody came to sign our players in the last few years because most of the time they looked like shit. Liverpool had to "develop" Suarez and Coutinho for Barcelona and got a CL and league title for their troubles. If you don't want us to operate like that what exactly do you want us to do?

That's exactly it, or have a sugar daddy owner.

speedy

jones wrote:
Coombs wrote:
It's not down to whether or not you agree. I'm not going to crunch the numbers myself because there are people paid to do it, in this case it was Lewis Ambrose.

In any event, the loan is perfectly acceptable and was just the sort of thing fans were calling for Arsenal to do. Snap up young talent and farm them out to build value. Twitter is a distorted fantasy that's twisted everything into a soap opera.

I don't do social media, only twitter I read is here.

People want Nketiah or Nelson loaned out to build value because they have no way of breaking into the first team right now. Saliba was loaned back immediately after we bought him which everyone was fine with. He was good enough to play for us last season and we fucked it up, he's good enough to play for us now and we do it again. Nowhere is this loan anything near acceptable.

We've no idea what's happening. We'd obviously sell him if we didn't want him here. And I struggle to believe our ideal situation is he goes back to France.

When I read he'd dropped out of the France youth team to come back early for pre season I was thinking maybe he's sorted his shit out. Instead he's come back early to go out on loan early.

The club aren't thick they told Nelson he needed a loan and he refused and didn't play. I'd imagine wanted Sal on loan in England and he wanted the loan back to France.

speedy

Qwiss! wrote:
speedy wrote:
If that was true, why wouldn't we sell him to help fund White.

Probably because we wouldn't get the £30m for him and we'd look like tits.

So you think he's brilliant, should be an instant starter here, done brilliant on loan and has hugely dropped in value?

Gazza M

it's a post covid market, yes, selling at a loss would be a daft thing to do. the only way to appreciate his value after buying him for 27m is for him to play well at the next level up, meaning the premier league. no French side is buying him back for more than 27m and it's too early for the super clubs to show interest. there always seems to be a host of clubs lining up to loan him though, which says something about his talent

and you're missing the thrust of the argument - noone has called saliba a sure thing. it's just the latest and most noticeable example of bungling by the people in charge, at a time where people are already viewing them with an air of mistrust

Qwiss

speedy wrote:
Qwiss! wrote:
Probably because we wouldn't get the £30m for him and we'd look like tits.

So you think he's brilliant, should be an instant starter here, done brilliant on loan and has hugely dropped in value?

I don't think I said any of those things. He had a good loan, should be in the mix here and I've no doubt our clowns would lose value if they sold him now.

You can disagree with that assessment if you want but try to live in the real world when you do instead of pretending he's a nothing player who's caused tons of trouble.

speedy

Qwiss! wrote:
speedy wrote:
So you think he's brilliant, should be an instant starter here, done brilliant on loan and has hugely dropped in value?

I don't think I said any of those things. He had a good loan, should be in the mix here and I've no doubt our clowns would lose value if they sold him now.

You can disagree with that assessment if you want but try to live in the real world when you do instead of pretending he's a nothing player who's caused tons of trouble.

Where have I suggested he's a nothing player. Please come out into the real world

Ray

Can we recall him once Arteta is sacked?

lorddulaarsenal

No unfortunately. Laughable how Mari gets game time whilst Saliba who is five times the player gets shipped out on loan

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