Klaus wrote:
GooneriC wrote:

Ziyech won't even cost that much, he's being touted around for £25-30 million.

He's supposed to have a €25m release clause. But if he does you have to wonder why no one's activated it yet.

What's your explanation, hes not worth it?

Ziyech seems a better fit if only Auba is ahead. But if we're playing with Auba and Laca, then I think Zaha seems a better fit.

jones wrote:
Klaus wrote:

He's supposed to have a €25m release clause. But if he does you have to wonder why no one's activated it yet.

What's your explanation, hes not worth it?

Or more likely that the release clause isn't being accurately reported, because that's pocket change to most Premier League clubs. Brighton just signed Leandro Trossard for around £20 million.

Qwiss! wrote:
Ricky1985 wrote:

Not that it makes much difference, but United get 25% of any sale minus the £6m Palace paid for Zaha. So 25% on any profit Palace make.

£40m plus Calum Chambers would mean United get £8.5m. I think that would be a good deal for us and for Palace.

What are we valuing Chambers at here? £30m plus Chambers would be loads. I like Zaha enough but £40m plus Chambers is about £60m worth. No way Zaha worth that, if we are entering that sort of price level we should be chasing Pepe.

Key difference is I doubt Pepe has any desire to join us...

That being said, I'm still not convinced by this. Just not the right profile of player we should be targeting with our limited funds.

jones wrote:
Clrnc wrote:

Dont even hold it against Palace they do what's in their interest, I hold it against Don's WhatsApp muppets hooked on Jim White with his hideous fucking Deadline Day neckties

@[deleted] - for what it's worth, I made the same case you did. The prevailing opinion would suggest I'm mistaken but whatever...

He isn't going to leave Ajax for most PL teams, he rejected Sevilla. And he seems to be an Arsenal fan too.

Sell Iwobi for 20-30m and make it happen.

Gunner89 wrote:

Sell Iwobi for 20-30m and make it happen.

No

Don Pacifico wrote:
Qwiss! wrote:

What are we valuing Chambers at here? £30m plus Chambers would be loads. I like Zaha enough but £40m plus Chambers is about £60m worth. No way Zaha worth that, if we are entering that sort of price level we should be chasing Pepe.

Key difference is I doubt Pepe has any desire to join us...

That being said, I'm still not convinced by this. Just not the right profile of player we should be targeting with our limited funds.

Would you target him if money wasn’t a problem?

Barca are gonna offer us Everton’s Gomes? Must be fun being a hack

Anzac wrote:
Claudius wrote:

Barca mistimed that transfer. They should’ve done it at the time when Fabregas moved to Chelsea. We would’ve had close to a decade of Fab, they would’ve had their Xavi heir, and we probably get a bit more cash. Everyone’s happy. We move on and get our Fabregas replacement.

That Fabregas moved under those circumstances was also indicative of the mess we were in. This was before Ozil and Alexis. We were in a dark place when he wanted out.

AW should have also been sacked re the shit show our end of season form post the CCup debacle v Brum.
Then there was the Fabregas & Nasri shit fest, followed by the OT 2-8 debacle & ensuing trolley dash on the last day of the transfer window.  AW proved at that point in keeping his job that he was Teflon coated & the club CEO and BoD didn't have a frakking clue between them.  Still shits me that he managed to steal a living for another half dozen years and effectively fuck us over big time in the last 3-5 seasons.

What's with the 101 reasons as to why Wenger should have been sacked? It's painful to read. He's gone. Let it go already.

As for Zaha, he's the exactly the profile of player this squad desperately requires. Zaha and Iwobi running down either flank is going to turn out like Robbery or Gervcott.

Claudius wrote:
Don Pacifico wrote:

Key difference is I doubt Pepe has any desire to join us...

That being said, I'm still not convinced by this. Just not the right profile of player we should be targeting with our limited funds.

Would you target him if money wasn’t a problem?

Nah, I'd target someone better and more expensive, haha.  ;D

Klaus wrote:
jones wrote:

What's your explanation, hes not worth it?

Or more likely that the release clause isn't being accurately reported, because that's pocket change to most Premier League clubs. Brighton just signed Leandro Trossard for around £20 million.

Yeah but Brighton aren't exactly smart spenders. I think when Ziyech moved it'll be for around 30mish, that's the price range touted for quite a while now. Hes not as young or in demand as De Ligt or De Jong but was more instrumental to Ajax' season than either from what I hear from most who follow Eredivisie. Hes still not the most consistent but should be eager to impress at his boyhood club also we badly need someone with his ability on the ball. Just let him get his head out his arse and win the AFCON first before turning his head with offers.

@lorddulaarsenal wrote:

Barca are gonna offer us Everton’s Gomes? Must be fun being a hack

Can't believe you don't trust Jack Figg.  😆

Do they make up the rumours they write AND give themselves fake pen names?

—————Auba
Zaha———Iwobi———Malcom/Fekir

@lorddulaarsenal wrote:

Barca are gonna offer us Everton’s Gomes? Must be fun being a hack

Fucking hell  😆

Zaha scoring the winner at Spurs new stadium. Inject it into my veins.

Would be fun to have a such a dangerous dribbler in the team.

Would be worth any fee just for the amount of pens he would win us

Are you having a laugh? We are not given penalties, in case you werent aware.

VAR next season so hopefully we suffer less at the hands of incompetent and/or cheating referees.

Nah, VAR can still cheat us. Not reviewing the situations is the first thing they can do.

Was that Mustafi’s highlight video or Zaha’s?

Ricky1985 wrote:

Would be fun to have a such a dangerous dribbler in the team.

Some lovely twists and turns.

I'd forgotten the way he embarrassed Mustafi, probably because it happens so often nowadays.

Zaha singlehandedly costed us about 5 points last year and prolly the UCL. We should have whispered to his agent earlier before we play him so he could plan long term, or maybe he just didnt phantom how easy to attack Mustafi.

I think the VAR point is a great call. Imagine the amount of penalties Zaha will win for us next year. He won about 8 last year so probably twice that amount when you slow mo into a decision.

I wonder if 45m + Mustafi + Free 2 year Nelson loan (with an option to pay a fee for a callback) works for them. It will be an attractive proposition considering they need a CB and if they dont know how bad Mustafi is

Clrnc wrote:

Zaha singlehandedly costed us about 5 points last year and prolly the UCL. We should have whispered to his agent earlier before we play him so he could plan long term, or maybe he just didnt phantom how easy to attack Mustafi.

I think the VAR point is a great call. Imagine the amount of penalties Zaha will win for us next year. He won about 8 last year so probably twice that amount when you slow mo into a decision.

I wonder if 45m + Mustafi + Free 2 year Nelson loan (with an option to pay a fee for a callback) works for them. It will be an attractive proposition considering they need a CB and if they dont know how bad Mustafi is

and to add to the VAR point, think of how many penalties mustafi could give away with his clumsy defending when they have access to VAR. so, we should clear him out ASAP. this could be a net of +16 penalties for us

They won't take Mustafi. They're not idiots.

I think we need a player like Zaha, and I doubt we will be able to get a better player given our finances and lack of CL. Obviously we shouldn't spend stupid money, but given he also wants to come here, hopefully a fee plus player(s) deal could get this done.

Well fuck me that changed in a hurry. Here I am saying there's been nothing doing and then I wake up to this and the thread has doubled in size. I'm still not convinced this is anything more than creating options based upon potential external factors such as MC getting banned & us gaining CL by default.

In answer to some of the posts there is no way I'd be letting Chambers go as he's both HG and a hybrid RB/CB/CM = convert him into an inverted WB as Bellerin will miss the start of the season.

In relation to VAR Zaha becomes a massive threat in the final 3rd, and was the most fouled player in the PL last season. As such then we shouldn't be looking to sell Laca.

Just wondering if Emery is looking at Zaha as a winger or as a forward in a 4123/wide 433.

Chambers a wing back? Seriously?

Anzac wrote:

Well fuck me that changed in a hurry.  Here I am saying there's been nothing doing and then I wake up to this and the thread has doubled in size.  I'm still not convinced this is anything more than creating options based upon potential external factors such as MC getting banned & us gaining CL by default.

In answer to some of the posts there is no way I'd be letting Chambers go as he's both HG and a hybrid RB/CB/CM = convert him into an inverted WB as Bellerin will miss the start of the season.

In relation to VAR Zaha becomes a massive threat in the final 3rd, and was the most fouled player in the PL last season.  As such then we shouldn't be looking to sell Laca.

Just wondering if Emery is looking at Zaha as a winger or as a forward in a 4123/wide 433.

Well done for changing your position in a hurry.
Good to see you abandon your "poor first touch" and "Alexis lose-possession" guy stats and find the more relevant "most fouled player in the PL last season".
That's what you gain by actually watching as opposed to simply reading figures. Stats are useful but should always be secondary as you are able to see the reasons behind them. Even watch compilations like Ricky's above do not show the incredible number of clear fouls that are waved on because they occur so often and are simply ticked off as lost possession by the bean counters.
As for Chambers as a wingback in place of Bellerin, are you Arsene Wenger incognito?

Think this is a non-starter. In any case, I fear Zaha will make our team even worse technically and force us to convert to a purely counter-attacking outfit because we won't be able to hold on to the ball for more than 3 seconds. That's not a bad thing by itself, but Emery can't play that style (none of his teams have been largely counter-attacking). This is the biggest thing I don't like about Emery - the complete absence of a plan. By all accounts, he is the one pushing the case for Zaha, but I don't think he really fits into Emery's (or Arsenal's) pattern of play.

How is Emery to blame for that? There are three people ahead of him in the hierarchy all which are supposed to be shaping the teams identity, philosophy and all that hot garbage. Emery is the head coach, hes said so himself more than once - why the need to pin everything on him when the guy whose job description entails what you talk about hasn't even arrived here yet.

Also some of his teams in the past (later Valencia teams with Soldado up front, Sevilla when they had Bacca and Rakitic) were clearly set up to counter especially in big games.

Am I the only one who can't get excited about the prospect of adding to our line of Man United rejects?

Clrnc wrote:

I think the VAR point is a great call. Imagine the amount of penalties Zaha will win for us next year. He won about 8 last year so probably twice that amount when you slow mo into a decision.

If you consider we'll probably attack more than Palace too overall, so thats more fouls, plus VAR, then take into account that he'd be playing for Arsenal he could win us up to 3 penalties over the length of his contract

invisibleman18 wrote:

Am I the only one who can't get excited about the prospect of adding to our line of Man United rejects?

I'm totally underwhelmed by the thought of Zaha 

I don't think we are likely to get any exciting signings this summer. Players like Zaha and Tierney are good solid signings if they happen but wont get the blood racing. Thats the situation we're in now. Players willing to move to Europa league teams tend to either be a massive gamble or a bit underwhelming. Its a miracle we got Auba when we did.