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Other clubs transfer thread summer 2019 edition (Official: Madrid sign Hazard)

Bring Back Kerrea Gilbert

Yes, there is truth in what you're saying Mirth. See how this summer pans out. I'm sadly not expecting things to be much different from the norm.

goon

BWoolley wrote:
goon wrote:
And yet they finished just a point ahead of us and haven't won a trophy in over a decade.

Seriously, Tottenham is not who we should be aspiring to 'catch'.

I agree with you that we should be aspiring to Liverpool and not Sp*rs. However, this whole trophy argument is bizarre tbh. People said the same thing about Klopp never having won a final etc etc (of course, he has Bundesliga titles under his belt, so not exactly the same). One way to put it is that they finished just a point ahead of us. The other way to see it is that they have finished ahead of us two years in a row with lower spend on the squad and a significantly lower wage bill (which is the primary driver). While I agree that can't be the aspiration, I would disagree with the "just a point ahead".

I don't disagree that they've managed themselves better in recent seasons, but you're initial post painted a picture of a team that's way ahead of us on and off the pitch. In reality it took a disastrous run in from us to finish behind them in the league in what is our biggest transitional period in over two decades. They've gone from meekly challenging Leicester for the league to being about as relevant to the conversation as we are. They've not been moving forward and they've not bought anyone particularly good recently.

GooneriC

They are in the CL and we arent. That's a huge difference. Perception is everything nowadays. They also have a better coach than we do obviously.

BWoolley

jones wrote:
We should aspire to be Arsenal ffs. Liverpool have won a CL due to the most embarrassing downing of tools of Barcelona and their last league title was witnessed by less than half the forum. How do you not feel shame saying stuff like aspiring to be them? Shades of Ox wanking Gerrard off on camera

Objectively, I feel no shame in saying that we should aspire to be a club getting 97 points in the season, conceding the least goals, getting to their 2nd CL final in a row (which they won) and one that seems to have a conscious, reasonably thought out and ambitious transfer strategy. Don't really care what they are called, but that is what we should be aspiring to.

Rohit

Harder to digest the small complex developing with regards to Spurs amongst the Arsenal fanbase than them signing a talented midfielder who will undoubtedly improve them because he is a good fit for their style of football.

I really don't think we are that far behind. Spurs have finished ahead of us in 3 consecutive seasons after being in our shadow for over 20. We make the right moves ourselves and we should be ok in the long run. Spurs still have to contend with the expectation of higher wages that will surely begin.

lorddulaarsenal

The gap isn’t that vast plus we have so much scope to improve purely on the fact that we were handicapped by such a poor defence.

Bolster the back line and the attack improves as it has a better platform to take confidence from

Ricky1985

[Twitter]

He'll a decent signing for them.

flobaba

@lorddulaarsenal wrote:
The gap isn’t that vast plus we have so much scope to improve purely on the fact that we were handicapped by such a poor defence.

Bolster the back line and the attack improves as it has a better platform to take confidence from

That’s the spirit. I agree with this. I’m not a fan of voyeurism. Let’s focus on what we can control and the marginal improvements we can make in obvious pinch points, under current restrictions. As long as we do our best in that regard, I’ll be at peace. This summer window was always going to be a total farce anyway. 40 million quid for transfers. In 2019.

goon

Ricky1985 wrote:
[Twitter]

He'll a decent signing for them.

It's a much smarter move from United than we've seen recently, but in the grand scheme of things I'm not sure how much it will help.

Ricky1985

He's not a modern fullback because he's medicore technically; he can only play half the position. That's why I said decent because that's all he is. £50m is a lot to pay for that, but I agree, in terms of profile, it's an improvement for them.

Segway

Wan Bissaka was pretty incredible last season but he's only had 1 good season in the top flight so who knows how good he will turn out to be. His strength lie in defense so his rather lacklustre offensive game could be exposed at United.

But he'll be a significant upgrade on Ashley Young that's for sure.

ohboy

I think Wan Bissaka has a lot of potential. He is extremely difficult to beat cleanly, and chases down everything. Going forward is he not bad, and can improve.

I have seen him a few times and spoken with him, I swear he is an Arsenal fan, but of course, we had no chance. It will be interesting to see his development.

goon

Ricky1985 wrote:
He's not a modern fullback because he's medicore technically; he can only play half the position. That's why I said decent because that's all he is. £50m is a lot to pay for that, but I agree, in terms of profile, it's an improvement for them.

Good point. It will be interesting to see how he does at United where the demands are very different.

lorddulaarsenal

The new Ashley Young

Clrnc

Wan Bissaka is one of the rare modern fullback that I can say is better at defending than attacking. He is absolutely incredible 1v1 against top class wingers, probably the best I have seen since Ashley Cole. Attacking he was nothing special last year, but I guess he has another level in him given that he was a winger previously. Wishlisted him but 50m is way out of our league, good signing for the cunts

Gazza M

Diawara-manolas swap deal almost done. Both players i would've liked us to be interested in this summer

Ricky1985

Clrnc wrote:
Wan Bissaka is one of the rare modern fullback that I can say is better at defending than attacking. He is absolutely incredible 1v1 against top class wingers, probably the best I have seen since Ashley Cole. Attacking he was nothing special last year, but I guess he has another level in him given that he was a winger previously. Wishlisted him but 50m is way out of our league, good signing for the cunts

He has very poor technical ability, that can't change now. So he is what he is.

To be honest, the £50m United are paying for him just highlights what a fantasic deal Kieran Tierney would be at even £25m. Daylight robbery in fact.

Bold Tone

Clrnc wrote:
Wan Bissaka is one of the rare modern fullback that I can say is better at defending than attacking. He is absolutely incredible 1v1 against top class wingers, probably the best I have seen since Ashley Cole. Attacking he was nothing special last year, but I guess he has another level in him given that he was a winger previously. Wishlisted him but 50m is way out of our league, good signing for the cunts

As i don't watch Palace week-in week-out i had a look at his figures and they are even more impressive when you find out he is 3 and a half years younger than Robertson.
https://statsbomb.com/2019/04/what-does-a-fullback-do-in-2019/

DiabyKungFu

Wan-Bissaka looks like a generational defensive talent. Tierney looks like a decent all-rounder.

QuincyAbeyie

So Wan-Bissaka joins Alexander-Arnold in Ricky's list of "not quite Tierney" backs.

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