I think the points that were raised are valid. Who wants a player who has a reputation of being dressing room poison? Especially when his skillset isn't very complimentary to the players we already have? Everyone recognises the value in a free transfer of a good player, but football is more complicated than that.

Klaus wrote:

I think the points that were raised are valid. Who wants a player who has a reputation of being dressing room poison? Especially when his skillset isn't very complimentary to the players we already have? Everyone recognises the value in a free transfer of a good player, but football is more complicated than that.

We're ass. I don't think it's much more complicated than that. And I say that as someone who is (relatively speaking) not that high on Rabiot's football talents.

If he was that bad in the dressing room and didn't have the right attitude would Emery really want him?

I haven't seen enough of him to tell but that's a great point, Emery will know if hes worth the trouble. I remember Liam brady mentioned on TV that their was a player good enough for Arsenal but he reckoned this player wasn't worth the trouble, he'd a very difficult personality. Brady advised wenger not to sign him and Wenger just said that all the best ones are very difficult and went ahead with it.

There's a difference between being difficult and being a dickhead. Rabiot refused to be called to the reserve of the national team before the WC 2018 because he thought he deserved to be in the team. What do you think will his team mates (especially the CMs) think of that behaviour?

And that's leaving aside his numerous career bitch moves like fucking PSG over by going back on his word to extend, his refusal to play in the cold in Bulgaria etc

jones wrote:

There's a difference between being difficult and being a dickhead. Rabiot refused to be called to the reserve of the national team before the WC 2018 because he thought he deserved to be in the team. What do you think will his team mates (especially the CMs) think of that behaviour?

And that's leaving aside his numerous career bitch moves like fucking PSG over by going back on his word to extend, his refusal to play in the cold in Bulgaria etc

He comes with issues but none of these seem to be stopping him preform on the pitch. DB10 wouldn't fly that's a major issue. I cant imagine many players with less than his increadible talent refusing to do that consistently. There must be tons of players who hate flying and just get on with it. the guys at the top are gonna demand to be spoiled more.

That looks like a quickly constructed post on your mobile while driving speedy.
What does db10s phobia of flying have to do with rabiot's dickishness?

arsedoc md wrote:

That looks like a quickly constructed post on your mobile while driving speedy.

sounds oddly specific

Well for me anyway it's about big players having massive egos and doing what suits them. If stoke were in the europa league and a shit defender doesn't want ot fly he's going to be made get on with it, because hes replacebale. He has little/no choice. Then on the other hand someone whos mega talented is not as easily replaced they know that so they're gonna be bigger Divas (on average and harder work). That comes out in things like refusing to fly or refusing to be on a reserve list. Or refusing to play for the reserves when coming back after injury.

jones wrote:

arsedoc md wrote:

That looks like a quickly constructed post on your mobile while driving speedy.

sounds oddly specific

Yea arsedoc, how have you only picked that up now. My posts have read liek that since day one.

Yeah except Bergkamp wasn't being a diva he genuinely suffers from aviophobia.

Also I meant more his description was oddly specific ie arsedoc himself might be occasionally posting while driving.

Rates of aviophobia vary from report to report about 10% seems about the averge reported. So thats about 2 players in every squad and at least one manager or coach. Why arent all these players missing games? It's because they're getting on with it because they have to.

Don't do it kids. It's not about dangerous driving. See the difference in that one post from usual speedy posts.

And yes,jones.

speedy wrote:

Rates of aviophobia vary from report to report about 10% seems about the averge reported. So thats about 2 players in every squad and at least one manager or coach. Why arent all these players missing games? It's because they're getting on with it because they have to.

Wow, this is a new perspective on this.  I remember reading that they tried all kinds of things for bergy and nothing worked.  It was legit phobia is what I remember about him.  Have to check again then. 

But even with that logic,  eventually we lost out on a player on away games.  So,  would we be able to afford a problematic character? 

Also those stats usually include the mild cases too. So the 10% could be managed with the lemon slices or scopolamine patches while others are extreme.

What I'm getting at is what Wenger said to Brady. Every top player is problematic (As mentioned above). Vieira kicked for a transfer every summer, Henry scouled at the younger players, Bergy refused to fly. Campbell headed home at half time in a game. Messi seems like a nightmare he says who he wants an doesnt want to play with. From chatting to people in the game i knw scholes wouldnt eat after games. even though theres an opertunity after you train for your absorb nutrients like a sponge to recover/refuel much quicker he just wounldn't do it. If hes an average player you can make him, but if he's Scoles he's going to do what he wants he knows he can play for any team.

Raboit if he's amazying is probably going to have an Ego to match that so yes he'll be difficult. But if we have high ambitions I don't think we can rule out players that are divas/ problematic. You have to weight up how problematic they are and make the decision based on that. Emerys knows if this guy is worth it or not.

arsedoc md wrote:

Also those stats usually include the mild cases too.  So the 10% could be managed with the lemon slices or scopolamine patches while others are extreme.

Mild cases seems to vary 25-40% of the pop. (from a quick google search, that why i used the lower end of the figures.

Rabiot is nowhere near any of those guys levels.

Jed wrote:

Rabiot is nowhere near any of those guys levels.

Im just using our previous players as examples. Apparently Hleb didnt train hard and Leahman went sick at him all the time in training, if you wanted  an example of a player with an ego that's talented but not as good as those guys. Helb is a decent one.